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    Woe, The Children

    What does our culture really think of children? I mean really think of them.

    It seems pretty schizophrenic, to be frank. When I traveled to Guam, I was struck by very different attitudes towards the youngest of young people. Children were to be protected and many natives said that flat out - that children were the center of the culture.

    There were anti-abortion stickers on trucks driving through the area. Websites with users  talking about their travel experiences said that, despite its faults, the island was a good place for children to remain children for the proper duration.

    When I lived with my parents briefly, I got told by a relative who is related that it's not socially acceptable for children to live with their parents at my age. There were personal layers to that even being said to me but when I looked around, it seemed pretty damn normal. My best friend, along with his brother, is living with his parents. Another bestie from California is living with her mother - a mother who she really loathes.

     Another friend had a pretty affluent family in Western Washington. I met this friend at church, he dresses well and works. Yet he "lives outside" ("homeless" is not how he'd describe himself) - he can't afford to live in urban Seattle. The church we went to has a good social network in it - that is usually how people join - but you can only expect so much out of such things sometimes.

    All of those friends found themselves in positions in which adulthood was not all it was cracked up to be. The model for adulthood that our parents had themselves struggled to fit in to is almost barely applicable now.

    Most cultures value family because poverty makes community and family necessary. Our culture is used to so much wealth that that wealth could stand in for a lack of family. Without that wealth, we literally don't know what to do. The cold and sick approach that most of us have towards one another and our own families has begun to show itself for the cold corpse it is.

    I think those of us who realize how bad our interpersonal relationships are have a responsibility to try to change it. That means compromise. It means maybe looking at the old way other cultures did it. (Native Americans are very similar to the Chamorros I mentioned early in my article:)

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    The role of children plays a significant role in the subject matter of most of my writing here at Dagblog for the last year or so. These mass shootings ooze with our schizophrenic notions of children. Alot of outrage occurred after children were ripped apart by bullets fired by Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook Elementary - but that was abuse of children that may simply have been more than the level of abuse we had long grown used to in this society.

    Child abuse has everything to do with these mass shootings. As I laid out in "The Killer Profile," these murderers fit a pretty solid description. They all experienced a solid level of neglect that led to them losing the emotional connection with others that keeps all humans civilized.

    Take a peak at this video:

     

     

    Why would children be put on medication known widely to cause such horrific side effects? It may be - and this is the harsh reality - that their parents never really loved them. Perhaps they felt an obligation to have children and, once having them, didn't really care enough to take the full steps to actually raise well adjusted young adults. I mean gosh - drugging little Johnny in to compliance sounds so much easier than doing all those exhausting things your parents did for you.

    Maybe many of them really did believe there was something called a "chemical imbalance" and that this imbalance was real in their children's brains despite "chemical imbalance" being invented and marketed as a catch phrase at the same time a new class of psychiatric medication was being marketed to a new generation of consumers.

    Whatever it is, we are seeing the results of the dehumanization of children every single day with these massacres. It's easy to blame inanimate objects like firearms or say these murderers are "natural born killers" (as artappraiser said in the aforementioned "Killer Profile" article) or blame heavy metal and industrial music or blame video games or blame violent movies or blame rap music or blame knives or blame cars (which the Guam murderer Chad De Soto used to injure several Japanese tourists) or blame the sidewalk. None of those wild explanations for what is happening make any sense and people often make no sense once they know they are wrong about everything.

    We're taught in mathematics class to solve all problems by isolating the common denominator. It seems as if many people, in their extreme case of societal denial about the causes of these daily massacres, are trying to solve a series of problems, all the same common denominator - antidepressant medications, with numerators that are completely different. It's the exact same sort of thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Remember what Albert Einstein said about that?

    You can try looking at the mirror backwards forever but eventually you will have to face your reflection. These atrocities are the reflection of a very sick society.

    Additional: NCD posted this in the comments section:

    And you didn't mention that the USA has the highest rate of child poverty of 35 developed nations excepting only Romania.

    Wealth doesn't stand in for family in the US.

    Almost all other developed, and even many undeveloped or developing nations have the common sense to (1) mandate paid maternity and paternity leave (2) provide financial subsidies for families with new children and (3) give all children free medical care, and free dental care until age 18.

    The fact is this country does not have national policies that would lead one to believe that it places a high value on either children or families.

    Indeed. The very way people value one another isn't thought out or coherent in this culture at all. It's almost like we don't value humanity.

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    It had to happen but you've finally written a post with which I disagree. More accurately ,that conflicts with my personal experience.

    My son is a person with autism. And has been "treated" according to each of the prevailing theories -or their runner ups- over 50 years: Freudian , intensive medication, no medication whatsoever, alternating reinforcements and aversives a la Skinner,  ABA a la Lovass.Also throw in for good measure facilitated communication.

    For much of the last few years he was relaxed-for him- cooperative and playful.And communicated using a system of touching letters of the alphabet to spell out a message. But a build up of ammonia in his blood forced us to reduce the level of his key medication and all the above disappeared. Not relaxed , not cooperative,not any of the above.

    For all I know you're right in your view of the effect of meds on neuro typical children. They're necessary for my autistic son.

     


    Sorry, Flavius - I wrote a whole response to what you wrote and the forces of the internet devoured it.

    Sorry. frown


    Please try to write your response again. I am keenly interested in this sort of thing.


    Okay, I'll try again.

    My son is a person with autism. And has been "treated" according to each of the prevailing theories -or their runner ups- over 50 years: Freudian , intensive medication, no medication whatsoever, alternating reinforcements and aversives a la Skinner,  ABA a la Lovass.Also throw in for good measure facilitated communication.

    For much of the last few years he was relaxed-for him- cooperative and playful.And communicated using a system of touching letters of the alphabet to spell out a message. But a build up of ammonia in his blood forced us to reduce the level of his key medication and all the above disappeared. Not relaxed , not cooperative,not any of the above.

    What medication was he being given? Autism is a condition of low serotonin levels already. Giving medication that blocks serotonin from metabolizing to people with autism doesn't make any sense.


    Abilify


    From what I know of Abilify, it works on dopamine, not serotonin.


    Erica is right. By messing with serotonin, SSRIs act in the same way as most street drugs, like LSD and cocaine - with the ugly results most street drugs have. You don't really hear horror stories affiliated with drugs like Abilify, Xanax, etc. Not to say there aren't side effects - but I've never read about those drugs being associated with horrific massacres.

    Here is some information about the role of dopamine and autism.

    And I have read more about this subject in the last year than I think anyone ever has or will so I would know, right? =P


    Flavius, does your son communicate at a level at which he can talk about how it feels to be autistic, or how the medication makes a difference for him?


    He has never had any speech. The first sentence he spelled out - in response to an invitation to say whatever he felt like- was "autism is like death"..

    We'll ask him some questions about his meds when he resumes the communication sessions in mid March. .


    Just to be careful that those communication sessions aren't using "facilitated communication", a process that differs from Ouija boards only in that it's slightly more plausible. If you are using that and are convinced it works, I encourage you to perform a simple test — tell your child something simple prior to the facilitator showing up and have the child repeat it after the facilitator shows up. Obviously, I don't know your child (and one child with autism can be as different from another as one typically developing child can be from another), but I have had a lot of indirect experience with children with autism (my wife works at a school for children with autism), so I'm familiar with a lot of what doesn't work.



    From the article you link:

    Autism isn’t sick or crazy. It’s rigid and routine, a little eccentric. Autism is multiplying columns of numbers easily while being unable to look anyone in the eyes; listening to only one band’s music, and always in the same order, for a period of six weeks; refusing to eat anything orange. It’s also being able to remember the exact date and time you ate a bison burger in Chamberlain, S.D., when you were 6. But there’s a really charming side to all this, a wonderful tilted perspective on life that, if you’re a parent of autism, you come quickly to enjoy.

    Some people with autism are like that. Most of the ones I know aren't. Most of the children with autism I know have a hard time even talking to you. Many if not most of them cannot read or do math. Of course, there's a selection bias in the ones I know, so I have no idea how representative they are.

    As for the meds, many (but probably not most) of the parents I know have tried different meds at one time or another in an attempt to help their children, and to be clear for the most part we're talking about children with autism so profound they will not be able to care for themselves independently as adults, so if there was a "fix", they would have every right to want it. None of the medicines have "fixed" the problem, although a few of them have made the children so groggy that the unusual behaviors have diminished, along with all other behavior.


    Just my personal opinion here, I don't want it to be taken as serious as the views I put out on other things -

    One should be really careful about meds being thrown out to kids with autism. I think they are dealing with an entirely different operating system altogether. It is still their operating system, however, so by messing with it who knows what you could really be messing around with. 

    Meds to alleviate seizures or any physical defects that come with the condition makes sense but mood altering drugs are just extremely dangerous as a rule. Even meds to alleviate obvious mental disorders like schizophrenia are pretty sketchy - schizophrenics are often actually treated with medication like Seroquel, which is actually a repackaged sleep aid. To the people who have to deal with a schizophrenic, the meds may seem to solve the problem but more often than not, the problem is just tucked away.

    When an autistic kid has a violent tantrum, they may be extremely frustrated about the fact that they cannot communicate what they are thinking and feeling so that other people understand. Imagine how frustrating that must be for them! Messing around with their moods with drugs that work in weird ways could turn the kid even worse and, since no one knows how the meds really work, you have no idea what the kid will end up like. You could make everything just much, much worse.

    In my view, it might be a good idea to try to build ways in which to facilitate better communication. Even kids with bad autism are still human and all any humans want is to be able to coexist with one another. The only way to do that is through interpersonal communication.

    That is just my opinion, though. I worked with kids with hardcore autism in high school but I don't have the qualifications to say this or that is what will cure their problems. The writing Genghis is kind enough to let me do here focuses on how these drugs are affecting neurotypicals.


    Whatever you think of it, Planned Parenthood is on every street corner - the philosophy behind that is literally that childhood is the total choice of the parent.

    That is not the philosophy behind it. The idea behind choosing to be a parent is the recognition that people who willingly have children will want them and care for them.

    From what I have seen in life, people who take on the job of parenting as a conscious choice are better at it than people who do not.

    That isn't to say that there aren't plenty of instances where parents do very well at their new jobs when their offspring are thrust upon them against their will. But I have seen enough of the other kind of reaction to oppose your making planned parenthood a symptom of what ails our society.


    AMEN!


    That is not the philosophy behind it. The idea behind choosing to be a parent is the recognition that people who willingly have children will want them and care for them.

    Yeah, it's their total choice.


    I don't see my comment in your reply.


    Eh, it's not really important. That was a side note - article wasn't about abortion so I took it down.


    You wrote:

    Whatever you think of it, Planned Parenthood is on every street corner - the philosophy behind that is literally that childhood is the total choice of the parent.

    Unbelievably ridiculous. 1. Planned Parenthood is not on every street corner, the fact is in many states they have been attempting to shut down and unfund Planned Parenthood for years and they have been successful in many cases.  2. The philosophy isn't that "childhood is the choice of the parent", could you misstate the philosophy/mission more? The mission of Planned Parenthood is to make sure women and men are informed about their choices about planning their families and the use of birth control.  The choice is whether or not to become pregnant not that childhood is the total choice of the parent, that makes it sound like a parent can rid themselves of a living breathing child.  The mission of Planned Parenthood is family planning. The mission of Planned Parenthood has always been as a purveyor of information.  Read up on Planned Parenthood seems like you need a lesson in what its mission is.


    Well stated. The opposing philosophy is that any form of birth control, any education on parenthood, any clinical procedure to ensure the health of the mother or pre-natal care to ensure the health of a pregnant woman and fetus is both dangerous and a threat to state control of the womb, the most fundamental 'productive apparatus' in a capitalist society.


    I wrote a longer paragraph that went deeper in to the issue but it got eaten up multiple times.

    I took that paragraph down. I was afraid when I wrote it that this essay - which was meant to tackle the role of children in our society - would derail in to a debate about abortion.

    Nevertheless, I'm not sure what is really wrong there. Abortion rights activists are "pro-choice." The pro-choice movement is built on it being the choice of their parent. ?


    Odd that you mentioned 'Our culture is used to so much wealth that that wealth could stand in for a lack of family.'

    And you didn't mention that the USA has the highest rate of child poverty of 35 developed nations excepting only Romania.

    Wealth doesn't stand in for family in the US.

    Almost all other developed, and even many undeveloped or developing nations have the common sense to (1) mandate paid maternity and paternity leave (2) provide financial subsidies for families with new children and (3) give all children free medical care, and free dental care until age 18.

    The fact is this country does not have national policies that would lead one to believe that it places a high value on either children or families.


    I'll mention that now. I tend to have a tone of "the world is dead" editorializing. You're more grounded in facts. =P


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