Tolerance with a whisper (Planet 9 from Outer Space)

    [Welcome back, ArtAppraiser, even if a short visit - had thought I'd be gone long before you. Plus as response to Mike Maiello and in general thoughts on our cultural jiu-jitsu]

    In answer to "People get a bit of a pass for their religion-based intolerances."  Like duh, when something's a 4000 year old tradition, it tends to carry weight. As do other long-standing traditions along with well-cemented ideas or structures, even if recent.

    But we do seem to get a lot of glee telling those people who haven't "evolved" that they're haters and wrong, rather than acknowledging the journey and changing positions we're all in.

    The "marketplace of ideas" doesn't have to look like a free-for-all internet bazaar where the weakest get slapped down and the strong survive, whether it's the anti-liberal right or anti-right liberals.

    There are people who are hard sells, and then there are people who just have their past customs and belief systems but may open to new ideas. Believe it or not, we all pretty well fall somewhere in these 2 categories, due to religion or lack of, ethnic background, social milieu, upbringing, happenstance of info encountered, et al.

    The Nürnberg trials pretty well destroyed the case for human exceptionalism - we can all be deceived or deceive ourselves, create our own monsters, follow the crowd, et al.

    Our terrorist hit 15 years ago set us off balance, spinning out of orbit, fear of the unknown and the unfamiliar.

    Yet pitted against that gloomy view, we see a steady winding down of wars, international cooperation, improved if not perfect acceptance of other cultures and skin colors, steady if not maddeningly slow acceptance of women as equals, et al. Society is improving despite fits and starts.

    Our labels are not the end of the line on values. I'm drawn back to Haight-Ashbury lately, as a brilliant revolution and a huge disappointment together - a great wellspring of new and refurbished philosophies and creativity and experimentation combined with both pleasant and sad new realities.

    We will find the limitations of our own times. Some of the people we call backwards may have a better clue to survival from the trendiness & often time-wastingness of social media, the hubris of thinking we've got millenia-old human relations problems worked out by numbers, even the feeling that everything will be okay with another Google search or venture capital investment in some trendy new save-the-world startup idea.

    That 14-year-old shooting smack on the corner and whoring herself to pay the bills doesn't seem so revolutionary 50 years later. Those square religious types condemning it don't seem quite so wrong even if their total message might not have been so right.

    By labeling everything that goes against latest trends and acceptance as "intolerance", we stamp a pretty self-assured value on our own beliefs and a pretty condemning one on those who disagree.

    History is much more even-handed, showing sometimes we were right, sometimes wrong.

    Thus the beauty of wading into discussions on endless possibilities with a spark of acceptance that anyone who disagrees might not have their head completely up their ass.

    Even be they Strom Thurmond or David Duke, Awlaki or Assad, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Anita Bryant, Jerry Falwell,  Ron Paul, Cliven Bundy....  Or especially smaller less powerful versions of these archetypes or those we simplistically categorize that way due to laziness, mistake or convenience.

    Martin Luther King talked about understanding the people who opposed him, understanding their reasons and motives, not condemning them as people, only their flawed ideas. He learned from them, not to judge them.

    The world will find its balance, and it's up to us to understand the levers and weights and figure out the new equilibrium. 

    Here's how our solar system looks today, as of 13 hours ago - not as we knew as kids or even as my kids knew it. As something surprisingly new, more complex yet still obvious and harmonious. Planet 9 is no longer Pluto but something even more remote and less visible. If we can't get the basics of our Solar System right, what makes us think we have a sure grip on matters of the soul and conscience?

    We're all babes in the woods, struggling to stand or crawl, sometimes laughing or holding in contempt the others. In 50 years, it will all look so different.

    Here's how our "modern" TV looked just 50 years ago, not so modern looking anymore - and here's how Death came calling in 1962 - not with a bang, but with a whisper. That's the nicer way to instill change. Used to catch more flies with honey - now you get them via Facebook fatwah.

    And here's Plan 9 from Outer Space (not the Johnny Depp version)

     

     

    Comments

    Peracles, you command the art of the insightful slashes within a broad brush. Well done.

    New equilibrium---I thing that's the skeleton key to what needs to happen in our culture---maybe the modern version started with Rodney King, and we have been limping forward from there.

    To make even a pretense of getting along, we have to deal with our intolerances of others---which after all is the root of economic injustice. Maybe this election will move us forward. 

     


    Poor guy, convoluted, a mess. Drowned with pot, PCP, coke and alcohol in his system, whacked a Korean store owner with a pole and tried to run over his wife, but somehow a Gentle Giant and peacenick at the same time. I think of Hendrix if he didn't have guitar skills. This is our real world. From Cat's Cradle:

    “Well finish your story anyway."

    Where was I?"

    The bubonic plague. The bulldozer was stalled by corpses."

    Oh, yes. Anyway, one sleepless night I stayed up with Father while he worked. It was all we could do to find a live patient to treat. In bed after bed after bed we found dead people.

    And Father started giggling," Castle continued.

    He couldn't stop. He walked out into the night with his flashlight. He was still giggling. He was making the flashlight beam dance over all the dead people stacked outside. He put his hand on my head and do you know what that marvelous man said to me?" asked Castle.

    Nope."

    'Son,' my father said to me, 'someday this will all be yours.”


    Gravity waves are the new rage. Can't wait until I get my gravity glasses - better than X-ray Specs.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/2/13/10981548/gravitational-waves-significance-ligo

     


    I also thought that Anderson Cooper's attack on Pam Bondi was rather ugly and uncalled for - I don't think she was trying to be a paramount of LGBT rights, simply trying to show compassion after an atrocity. And just like the Kentucky woman should shut up and hand out marriage certificates according to the law, the Florida AG should shut up and maintain the law as voted. When overturned by the Supreme Court, she should then shut up and maintain the law as re-qualified by the courts. Not sure why we think we can get purity activism only when it suits us. Or what LGBT marriage has to do with not taking a gun into a gay nightclub.

    Similarly, thought it strange the scandal re: Gay Talese describing his impressions of female writers in the 60's. Do we want people's opinions or not? Carefully parsed restrained speech is not "Free Speech".

    If there's Tolerance, it means Tolerance for the disagreeable or outrageous - even if drawing the line at serious damaging or violent or....

    What great writer could have written looking over every word in case might offend some group or common perceived wisdom? Artists at least are supposed to break taboos, explore the unexplorable. Orwell helped destroy the slick veneer over communism. Dangerous Liaisons broke open the sexual codes of1700's France. William Burroughs' Naked Lunch was disgusting and somewhat juvenile. And helped define new thought, break the shock on then gay values and their situation, not that every gay was or is a junkie or as perverse as Bill. Which is kind of the point.

    We are all some stupid now. Can we recover?


    I saw free speech in operation in both the Biondi and Talese situations. Minister Farrakhan is a homophobe. If he offered condolences after the Orlando massacre, I would expect pushback and possible rejection from the LGBT community. Biondi was not a friend of LGBTs. Biondi fought a $500K fight against Gay marriage. If she had won, many people looking for loved ones would not have received information because they had no family ties. When Paul Ryan offered prayers for the Orlando dead, he was properly told that political action rather than words was the best response.

    Biondi link

    https://www.queerty.com/anderson-cooper-rails-florida-ag-really-champion...

    Ryan link

    https://www.queerty.com/anderson-cooper-rails-florida-ag-really-champion...

    The Talese situation is applying free speech to analyzing perceptions about female writers of a certain point in time. His response caught fire because woman used their free speech right to detail how his comments made them feel excluded. Talese later made a comment to a black female reporter from the New York Times Magazine that created an issue of race and gender.

    https://rewire.news/article/2016/04/05/meet-poet-inadvertently-took-gay-...


    Oh bloody hell, he's 84-years old, he's an old man, he's likely to say stupid shit, I don't even know if he has his wits still together or not. 20 years past retirement you don't play gotcha. 

    As for Farrakhan, if his words led to audience anger that surrounded a shooting, maybe, but if it's just homophobe or some non-supportive position unrelated to the murders? No, it's inappropriate. Not believing in gay marriage doesnt mean you hate gays or encourage violence towards gays whatsoever.


    Talese made comments. People were offended and voiced their disapproval. I don't see a big deal. His recall of writer and rationale for his comments seems intact.


    Yes, but it's an old guy from a different era. Mohammed Ali died at roughly the same age and said some really stupid shit in his time along with some great words and actions. Tolerance meant I didnt feel it right to pick into him like a buzzard with his passing (though I'm not always sacrosanct with every passing). Sure, shake your head at how some old folks still think, but for some of these ladies to be *offended*?

    Similarly, you may feel Bondi did bad things for gay marriage rights (as noted, by florida law and voters' preference) she didnt advocate for killing or abusing or keeping them from working or a variety of positions that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have, and at a time when she's trying to show unity with victims of a massacre digging int a marriage issue that a large majority of Americans supporte til recently is tawdry and uncompassionate and stupdid and petty. Cooper mostly wants his TV ratings like a spoiled media jerk, and that's now being the LGBT darling, which doesnt make him less an ass. Look at him for any non-gay issue: he sucks.


    Ali made a miraculous change from being a racist tied to the Nation of Islam to a Liberal Sunni Muslim. We tend to grow as we age. Progressive society moves to be accepting of women and minorities in positions of power, for example. I have octogenarian friends who couldn't survive with their iPhones and iPads. They communicate with their grandkids and great-grandkids via social media.

    Anderson Cooper probably reflected the feelings of the majority of the LGBT community.


    By labeling everything that goes against latest trends and acceptance as "intolerance", we stamp a pretty self-assured value on our own beliefs and a pretty condemning one on those who disagree.

    The way I think about it is that there are earnest intelligent people doing their best to advance what is best. They do not all agree with each other on what something like the best might be.


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