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    Aristarchus, or more correctly Aristarchos (Greek: Ἀρίσταρχος, Arístarchos; 310 BC – ca. 230 BC), was a Greek astronomer and mathematician, born on the island of Samos, in Greece. He presented the first known heliocentric model of the solar system, placing the Sun, not the Earth, at the center of the known universe. He was influenced by the Pythagorean Philolaus of Croton, but, in contrast to Philolaus, he identified the "central fire" with the Sun, and put the other planets in their correct order of distance around the Sun.[1] His astronomical ideas were often rejected in favor of the geocentric theories of Aristotle and Ptolemy. The heliocentric theory was successfully revived nearly 1800 years later by Copernicus and modified by Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton.

    I just was referred to a site by Josh. Three popups in three seconds, one asking for a contribution of a buck a day from the site. And Firefox has the nerve to brag about how it 'blocked' a few more! ha

    Besides the irony that the Spectator has more ads than a mail flyer; the article was simply an ad to sell a book!

    There are so many tricks at work that I really did not see three years ago.

    I will tab youtube in order to play a series of songs. If you leave the tab open for too long following a song, an audio ad starts—which drives me nuts!

    But youtube is not the only site that does this. Several sites will begin audio trashing my pc.

    Now sites have to make money. There are folks who do actual research; interviewing folks, reading original documents....all the things that 'journalists' are supposed to do.

    Lady Huff herself did a satire on how she was going to charge the reader by the word but giving vistors fifteen free words a month! 

    Of course Lady Huff is getting sued following her 300 mill sell out by 'contributors' of different levels of articles because they never get paid.

    And 80% (?) of everything at Huffpo is simply short paragraphs describing news (?) from other sources. I think one of the jokes at that Press Dinner noted that everyone was invited to a Huffpo party that evening. Of course you had to bring your own food and drink!

    I get it.

    It is just that sitting here in my small apartment with my portable, the web is expensive enough but I could be out of pocket hundreds of dollars every month visiting the simplest of sites.

    NYT lets me read three articles for free a month and wants me to pay them thirty bucks a month if I want more. I might sign up in mid July just to try it out.

    The Washington Post was doing that three years ago; but who the hell wants to read the Post any longer since that fascist purchased it along with the WSJ.

    They all want my money; something I have very little of.

    If I paid Time, Newsweek, the NYT, Mediamatters, The Nation, and scores of other sites, I really think I would be in hock for four or five hundred bucks a month. Add that to these various anti-virus protections like Norton; I mean I could be out of pocket a thousand bucks easy every month if I added some professional journals.

    And yet, how else do these professional writers get paid? There are many professional writers right here at Dagblog. I do not know how they survive!

    I used to go to the library once a week to read a real Sunday NYT; it really is a wondrous experience. It weighs five pounds and you need a table to yourself so that you can separate all the wonderful sections. It truly is a work of art especially noting the weekly mag stuffed inside. The library no longer carries it due to cost cutting legislators.

    I used to purchase four or five newspapers a day decades ago, besides receiving the local papers at home.

    I don't even wish to get into the issues surrounding proprietary interest; which in itself has become a real can of worms.

    This is just one of my thoughts going nowhere, as usual.

    I have seen a trend over the last three years.

    Remember, we are shut off from much info on the web.

    Google has embarked on quite a laborious gift over the past few words to open up a library of sorts for books written more than 80 years ago. And Google has gotten into trouble over its noble efforts.

    Not everyone is happy about this effort to spread so much info to the masses.

    Over the next year or so Google will be involved in scanning millions of more pages of books.

    The time period for these books is listed as 1700-1870.

    Of course Google also sells books that are not out of print.

    I find old books all the time on the Web.

    If you want a Bible (even that cat bible) or The Republic or any Greek Tragedy or Greek Comedy or Shakespeare or Chaucer; they are yours for the asking. And the reading is free!

    So all is not lost!

    I just know that more and more sites are going to be asking for or demanding subscriptions from their readers.

    And good writers should be paid for their labor!

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    Since many of us don't have any money, does that mean were going to enter the Dark Ages again?

    Maybe they'll start speaking and writing in Latin again, so they can keep the lowly ignorant?

    The only writers making any money, will be those who dont piss off the Plutocracy.

    Will Time magazine be fair and balanced. Or will David Brooks represent the lefts view?

    America made in our image   because we paid for it?   

    Social activist writers need not apply, you're going to be blacklisted anyways.

    I hope PBS can make it.

    Have they cut our lines of communications?

    Can we go back to ol fashioned radio waves, or have all of those easliy accessable frequencies, been gobbled up by Corporate interests?  


    YOU know Resistance, I was thinking about radio today!

    Gunsmoke was supposed to be more realistic! 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsmoke

    Miss Kitty had a pussy. hahahahaha

    I dunno, I grew up with lies my entire life!

    The richer folks got more monthly and weekly and daily news!

    I am not surprised by this new turn of events.

    I just do not have a thou a month to purchase all the accutrements! ha


    In the office where I work, there is an old art-deco type scale.  (In fact, I saw an exact copy of it recently on PawnStars.)  It probably used to be on subway platforms or outside a Woolworths.  It advertises that you get the first 5 pounds free, and indeed, when you step onto it, the needle moves and stops at 5 pounds.  You then put in a penny to get your weight, but the hook is, you can set the dial on the scale and if you guess your weight correctly, you get your penny back.  Now, even adjusting for inflation, how big a money-maker could that have been?  I mean, even if you got 100 people a day to weigh themselves, (slightly more than 4 people an hour) and they all guessed their weight incorrectly, you still only made a dollar.  But the important part of course, was that the first 5 pounds were FREE! 

    P.S. Being a writer is not a profession to undertake with the thought of making a lot of money from it.  If playwrights ever thought about how many people actually make a decent living from writing plays, well, no-one would ever write plays...

     


    Smith you have stuck by me all along. hahaha

    You then put in a penny to get your weight, but the hook is, you can set the dial on the scale and if you guess your weight correctly, you get your penny back.

    See, you express in one sentence what I could not express in twenty pages. ahhahaahahah


    I guess that I'm one of those professional writers. The short answer is yes, I would like to be paid.

    More broadly, it's not just the writers. Opinions pieces are cheap, but running a real journalism outfit costs money. Without money, there is no news.

    That said, the NYT paywall represents a 20th century financial model that no longer works.

    Before the Internet, most people who were interested in the news subscribed to a few newspapers and magazines, watched the network news shows in the evening, and perhaps listened to the radio on the way to work. All their news came from four or five sources.

    The NYT paywall attemps to force people back into that old model. Few people are willing to pay for more than a couple of $20 subscriptions. If every website charged such a fee, people would get their news from a small number of sources, like in the old days.

    But no one wants that, and there's no reason to go back to that. Moreover, it's a moot point b/c social media has made that impossible. How could you share a link to an article that your friends and followers don't subscribe to? (Incidentally, DD, the NYT wisely does not count Twitter links against the paywall, so if you want to read the Times, just follow it on Twitter.)

    What we need is some kind of micropayment system so that people can pay for their news without an exclusive, all-you-can-eat subscription fee. It's shocking to me that no one has built that yet. Major media outlets should agree to a standard that would require readers to set up accounts from which a few cents would be deducted for each read. There's nothing particularly difficult about developing such technology, but it's nonetheless never taken hold.


    I cannot tell you how important it is to me, the lowly blogger that you would weigh in on this.

    No kidding!

    I got thrown out of the only blog where I had a following; and it hurt!

    But you saw an opportunity and you asked us to join!

    It was nice!

    Where the hell else could peeps like me go?

    I do not know the answer to this problem!

    I do not pretend to!

    Micro?

    Yeah maybe.

    Frankly, I would pick a site like this and say: Ya! I'll pay.

    Madam Huff made her joke but she takes 300 mill and screws the proletariat!

    Oh, but Madam Huff is a liberal with sneaky conservatives who smile like Joe Scarborough!

    You personally invited us all here and I find that wonderful. No kidding!

    But I feel that the trend is in Arianna's joke.

    Maybe there will be 'bundling'. You get so many sites with a fee!

    Like I said I am pretty sure when I get my last bonus, I will sign on to NYT just because they will send me their wonderful Sunday package.

    I am still amazed that you show up, that you will comment on peasant blogger essays...

    Thank you!

    Again, I am not being facetious. ha

    Authors need to be paid; at least real authors and not just satirists in their pj's. ha


    AMEN.......... Thanks Genghis

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    hahahahahahahahahah

    I dunno Resistance if I laugh harder at you or Q.

    hahahahahahahaahahah

    You know why?

    I do not know how to respond. hahahaahahahahahahahahha

    I dunno, you got me tonite. hahahahah

     


    The Phoenix NewTimes is, as far as I know,  not delivered to your home. I find it in front of stores or restaurants. So I cant understand the circulation figure.

    Another question DD, The other day I provided a quote, Qustions were raised  

    Have you writen or commented on how to avoid any legal issue when blogging?

    I dont understand proper protocol.

    To quote someone, do I need their permission? Can I provide a link to youtube without getting permission or does Youtube take the liabilitity? The other day I read where some group had pressured others to pay or be charged in court, for Copyright issues being violated   

    I don't understand these issue and I would never intentionally break the law.

    Say for example I wanted to qoute you or KGB or Q,  am I supposed to give the original commenter credit? Am I supposed to get authorization first, before giving the quote?

    Do you know? 


    These are not stupid questions at all!

    I know that some blogger was sued by some site for reproducing more than 3 paragraphs of some blog. I mean a real blog like Huffpo or some such.

    Supposedly there are guidelines....

    I do not give a rip and I never have.

    If you are insignificant like me, no one would take the time to come after me. hahahahahahaha

    I will work on a blog and if 3 or 5 paragraphs work....that is what I use. hahahahahahaha

    The thought police care not for insignificant peeps. hahahahaha

    That is about all I know!

    I do recall the legal maxim entitled "Fair Comment"

    I leave it at that. hahahaha

    If you make no money doing this trite like me; no one appears to give a damn. ahahahahah


    I think Resistance is referring to a conversation he and I had the other day about attribution. It's not a matter of quoting someone and using no more than three pps or so, it's a matter of giving credit to the original author.

    On my own blog and most websites I follow we're using the Creative Commons copyright notices. I've chosen this one.  As I told Resistance, it's a matter of courtesy.  Every writer wants his/her work out there but not without some kind of recognition of the origin.  You simply should not use someone's work without acknowledging where it came from. 

    And yes, it can be a legal issue if someone chooses to pursue it.


    Ramona, can you answer the other questions for me?

    How do you redirect back to the original entry, to the specific comment without the new reader havng to read the enire post' comments?

    For an example: I didn't ask DD, Q, or  KGB ( Names changed to protect the innocent) for permission to use or to have their names associated with mine, So I let the quote speak for itself .

    Am I giving credit or am I bringing reproach, upon the persons name? Quoting someone, associates in the minds of others.

     Maybe the FBI or CIA has a file on me, tracking my associations, Who is this Resistance listening to. Who are his teachers? Spies everywhere   AMERICA  by Allen Ginsberg

    "look folks,  one of the voices of reason, against ILLEGAL Immigration; Resistance quotes (so and so) quite often.

    Could someone associate (innocent victim of association) with me?  Do I need a persons permission first, before I can use the quote? 

    I am not asking this in vain, do I have a responsibility, to protect the innocent, who do not want their names associated with mine.

    Knowing this was not a significant issue and it may seem petty, but I want to know and follow a consistent course.  I dont want to remember exceptions.


    Resistance, I LOVE your sincerity!  I really do.  I don't think it has to be all that complicated.  If you're going to quote someone else, whether it's a paragraph or two from a blog or website or whether it's simply a quote from a comment, you really need to say where it came from.  You can either create a link to it or cut-and-paste it, but if it's not yours it's someone else's and they need to be given credit for a quote you thought worthy enough to add to your own post or comment.  (You can look at other posts and comments here on dag and you'll see that everyone does that.)

    if you think the writer wouldn't appreciate being quoted by name, you probably shouldn't be using the quote.  If you find something you want to quote and can't find the writer's name anywhere, you say that, too.  It could be that someone else will let you know where it originally came from.

    As I've said before, it's a matter of courtesy.  We writers don't like it when someone uses our stuff without giving us credit.  Our words belong to us.

    That's about it, I think.


    This might help; I think this is how it works (apologies if it doesn't).  When you access a comment, it has its own Url in your address screen, I think it's called.  Yours ended in these numbers: 10855/126060.  So I right-clicked on it, said Copy; now I'll paste it into the box here (or you could make a link of it):

    http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/pay-play-10865#comment-126060

    If I'm doing this right, your comment should be at the link. 

    The thing is, the commenter left the comment on a thread here; that means he meant it to be public, so I don't get your reticence to identify him.  I mean, any of us or anyone else, for that matter, might have read the comment the day before.  See what I mean?

    update:  Oops; too slow.  And for cripes sake, it's 'address BAR', not screen. 


    Thanks, Stardust.  I should have thought about the address bar for comments!


    Yeah!  And you prolly wouldda known it's dang name!!  (I swear, my brain)  ;o)

    Oh--watched a PBS British program called 'New Tricks' ast night; 4 retired male cops work cold cases under a female (crap; I forget what grade) cop.  A suspect they interviewed taught college courses on feminism ruining society.  Police came in at the end of one of his lectures; oy.  Once the class was over, he even used phrases like 'mangina'; I forget the others, but they were all strong, if incoherent, ravings.  "See, they even call global warming manmade; women always get a pass; men are always to blame" junk.  (Though he tried to make it sound intellectual, LOL!)

    Funny part was, the most since Ladies Man cum sexist of the police was so incensed by his screed he told him off 'good and proper'.  His boss looked on with shining eyes.  ;o)


    Don't be too sure about the "address bar".  I forgot it was even there!

    But the cop show. . .they've come a long way, baby.  But not far enough.  How many dead females do we have to see all decked out in sexy clothing to understand who's writing that shit?


    For me, it's the female cops with deep cleavage-shirts and high-heeled pumps; that 's what I'd wear chasing down Bad Guys, you becha!

    I'll have to think about, or watch with that eye, but it may be British cop shows aren't so sexy as American ones, at least in those overt ways.  Canadian, too, if I remember well.  Most of our teevee is unwatchable.  That writers' strike gave us Reality TV, more's the pity: cheap and popular.  Arg!


    I see it when I click onto the particular comment. But if a few days or weeks pass, all I see on the address bar is the entire Blog post, and then I have to scroll down and find the original comment, I am unable to change the address bar when I do find the original to quote. Reading through all the comments is very time consuming.

    I would prefer to let the commenters entire comment display, rather than me picking out a snippet.

    You may have ascertained, I am a paranoid person. I do not trust our Government

    Today they're your friends and tomorrow they're rounding you up, because you’ve made comments undermining their rules. Your comments are inciting others, you are promoting Sedition.

    Eugene Debs went to prison over mere words. Patrick Henry was sought out by the British for mere words.  Was it the listeners or was it the quoter’s under threat?  

    I watch what Libya, Iran or any other regimes ARE doing to dissidents.

    It wasn't that long ago, America did the same to those of the Workers Party. I don’t think we should be lulled into some sense of security.

     I don’t care to do the work for the authoritarians, by telling them who else they should be keeping an eye on. 

    "Tell us Resistance, who are you quoting?" Should I betray friends of the Revolution so easily, because it is customary?

    If a writer wants to be recognized for their work, let them Post a Blog.

    Comments are passing thoughts..


    Okay, now you've lost me. It was my question, "Whose quote is it?", that started it all. There was nothing authoritative or conspiratorial about it. You put something in quotes and I naturally wanted to know who said it. That's the reason for quotes. To tell your readers that you're quoting someone else. And the usual thing when you're putting up a quote is to tell the reader the name of the person you're quoting. Forgive me, Resistance, but you're putting way too much thought into my simple question.

    I dunno, I just reread this!

    Always, always tell the reader where you got your stuff and never never never take someone else's stuff and not at least give the name--always better to link!

    I love to link. that is the point of this chaos called the Web!


    Pshaw. I started blogging at TPM Cafe just like you. Indeed, I recall feeling some envy when you surged passed me on the follower counter. Though I'm sure that if I had still been blogging reg'lar at TPM, I could have taken you. ;)

    I know that we don't quite have the readership of the old Cafe, but I hope that you still feel like you have an audience here. I'm working on growing the readership, but it's a slow process. If you want to help, pounding the social media networks like facebook and twitter is the way to do it.


    Not to take away from the point you are making, but you should know that the New York Times' site gives 20 articles a month free per Internet user, not 3. Also, there are plenty of ways to get around it; just google "getting around new york times paywall," just takes a little extra effort which those who can afford it don't have to bother with. The latter is the same situation like having to go to the library rather than having your reading delivered to your door.


    I have a couple of NYT columnists on my blogroll and whenever they write a new piece it updates there. (Used to have more until they left or stopped updating) I can see that they get clicked on from my blog, which means the readers aren't going directly to the NYT to get the column. I wonder if that counts toward the maximum per month? I haven't had any kind of notification that I've reached a limit yet.

    These kind of counts (i.e., with similar sites like the Financial Times, too; also when sites count unique readers rather than page views,) are by your ISP address by which you are identified when you are on the internet.  So it's the people clicking from your site who will get "charged" for accessing one article. That they are coming from your blog has little to do with it (excepting of course, who knows, some day there might be a kind of reward system for you sending readers over to a site that way.)

    That also means if you have access from two different internet accounts (i.e., you go on the internet at work and home, and they are different service providers) you would have access to 20 at each address, or 40.


    Thanks, Anon. That clears it up.

    Donal posted this on the In the News section, Dick.  Beats me; but I get the messages at the Times about how I'm coming close to my maximum use for the month.   I mentally say, "Yikers!"


    Yeah I saw that!

    Looks like some fraud was going on and the Judge got mad!


    I have mixed feelings about advertising.  Certainly it can be annoying.  It can also be entertaining and informative.  And for better or worse, we are who we are largely because advertising has paid for so much of the infotainment that informs our worldviews and educates us more effectively than any school ever did.  Maybe it is/was just easier to ignore offline advertising.  Not many read the classified ads everyday but they were always there, a newspaper's bread and butter.  Newspapers really need new revenue streams since the migration of Help Wanted, Real Estate and Personals online.  Without them it just may be back to the dark ages for all us free riders. :D

    Writing this caused me to wonder if anyone has studied how the hit to offline Help Wanteds has affected unemployment.  Time to Google?

     

     


    Yeah, writers and sites need money. A lot of the bigger sites are getting very clever as far as advertising.

    As far as employment opportunities I assume that some folks send out hundreds of resumes and they can do this rather cheaply.


    ... good writers should be paid for their labor ...

    Okay Day ...

    Think about this ...

    How much money did John Hancock earn for his signature on the Declaration of Independence? How much money did any of the signators make off that one and the Constitution?

    In the Age of the Internet ... found wedged between the current Age of Pisces and the Age of Aquarius those authors of originals work found within the Net of Ether are on a global stage for the masses to hear hear their words. If the words have meaning then the author has talent. That implies entities seek to secure their service.  Those who fail to excite the ether are destined to reside in the Halls of Google and perhaps one day some one may become enlightened to the words once written long after the author has died.


    Well I know that real journalism is hard work; finding witnesses, checking sources, doing a little study in the history of the issues....

    I tell ya one thing though...seeing Google as the Afterlife...hahah

    I mean I gotta render unto Beetlejuice the Dayly Award for Originality at this here Dagblog Site, given to all of him from all of me. hahaah

    A thousand years from now who knows? Maybe someone will rediscover Twain or Plato!


    Richard, will you bequeath your entire works to me?

    one day some one may become enlightened

    You've already enlightened me, I figure to get a jump on things.  


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