Mortgage Refinance: A circular firing squad.

    Shortly before Obama's jobs speech I posted that it should include a Mortgage Refinancing program. What actually happened was a 15 second reference in the speech to working with the FHFA to facilitate more refinancing. The next day a CBO report, a generic study of refinance obviously on-going before O's speech, underwhelmed the entire idea of Refinance, particularly in scope and possible stimulative effect. Others stated in the Senate Housing Subcommittee hearing two days ago that the CBO's "take-up" estimates of 2.9 million borrowers were far too conservative.

    The fact is that the existing stakeholders in the mortgage mess constitute a circular firing squad, each entity trying to maximize its own agenda against the interests of others. Until a consensus is formed which balances all of the interests, including tax payers and borrowers, any movement in mortgage refinance is going to be limited. Leadership from Obama is essential, but so also is action from Congress. Here are some of the stakeholders, their positions and some other facts.  

    Industry groups like Mortgage Bankers Assoc. and National Assoc. of Realtors. They support the Boxer bill to allow 2 million underwater borrowers to refinance at lower rates.(so does PIMCO)

    Investors in MBS's. An assortment including the GSE's, the Fed, the Treasury, Banks, Investors such as Pimco--plus we taxpayer stakeholders in existing MBS's held by the    GSE's--will take a haircut in any mortgage refinance program. In other words, the interest income will be lower. Republicans are not going to change their stance of protecting "Investors" nor their concerns about how a wave of mortgage refinancing might tank the entire MBS market without getting something in return.

    Banks, esp. the big 4. Banks are concerned that refinance will expose additional bad origination or servicing practices. Also, they don't want their interest income reduced. Also they hold a half Trillion dollars in second mortgages--many related to underwater primary loans. Generally you can't refinance a primary without agreement of the second lien holder to re-subordinate the second.

    Also, with respect to banks, any effort to get a large scale mortgage program of any kind implemented begs the question of: who actually is large enough to do it? The banks of course. And more importantly, who gets the liability of the newly refinanced mortgage--that is, who wants to jump out of the frying pan into the fire. Also, being under such pressure on the legal front, including suits by the FHFA itself, do banks have an incentive to do anything if they can't also get a deal reducing some of their legal liabilities? Most serious proposers of any Refinance program realize that in order to get the broad cooperation of banks, the liabilities for "reps and warranties" on the refinanced loans would have to be waived.

    FHFA. The issue of forgiving reps and warranties leads to the mission and current actions of the FHFA. First, they have just sued all of the banks who might be the implementers of a refinance program. To the extent the FHHA releases the refinancing banks from reps and warranties liabilities they weaken their own objectives in the existing law suits.

    More importantly, the charter of the FHFA is to prevent the GSE's from losing any more money and not paying taxpayers back the rest of the $150B which is owed. Refinancing not only lowers income but might simply shift liability from the originator back to the GSE's. Not to mention that the purpose of the FHFA is to wind down the GSE's in their current form and a major refinance program program would actually extend their existence. Not to complain, but Geithner is more interested in being the Administration's Ambassador to CNBC and instructing Old Europe in the mysteries of TARP than coming to grips with whether the GSE's should be wound down or wound up in the service of a refinance program--not that his opinion has any sway with the FHFA head, Ed DeMarco.

    Mortgage insurers. In a word, they have to go along with re-insuring the mortgage. No clear indication they will do this.

    And all of the above is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of dozens of competing lawsuits, not to mention the cold climate of the Congress as well as the Super Committee.

    The reality of Mortgage Refinance is that most of the things which heretofore have limited the effectiveness of HAMP and HARP--most importantly bank resistance and GSE's high lending standards and high fees--are still present and so far nothing has changed. Ed DeMarco, head of FHFA, is not to be pushed around by Obama or the Congress. If his mission isn't changed by Congress, not much new is going to happen there.

    Having said all of the above, there is still hope that personal persuasion of DeMarco by Obama may get some relief around the edges. Or industry groups may have enough clout with Republicans in Congress to pass the Boxer bill giving FHFA some new orders-- but Republicans are going to be asking for a lot in return. (Would any of us want to let the banksters off the hook to gain some small relief for homeowners?) The argument that the fiduciary duties of FHFA to taxpayers should perhaps include the "common good" in helping 25 million borrowers refinance to lower interest rates has not been framed or presented to the public.   

    Many of the other mortgage initiatives, like equity sharing or allowing owners to stay in their houses, face the same issues as contained in refinancing programs, with the added problems of actually modifying the principal. Perhaps such programs will help a little. But overall, a solution to the mortgage mess at this late date and with the Congress against it is just that--hope. I hope I will be proven wrong, maybe there will be a breakthrough.

    I continue to be fascinated by the refinance program being offered by a group related to the Absalon Project (partly financed by Soros) and which includes R. Glenn Hubbard. The projections here are in fact huge--25 million mortgages refinanced and a huge stimulus. (One of the authors of the huge refinance plan, Christopher Mayer, testified in the Senate hearing on Wednesday). To think that a settlement like it could be reached before the election seems also to be wishful thinking. By the way, R.Glenn Hubbard is an advisor to the Romney campaign.

    Barton Biggs, a name in the investment community, suggested jokingly that the Fed should just buy up houses.

    As reported by MSNBC's "Ed" in Toledo, a Chinese firm just purchased a mall, that originally consumed $42 million in city subsidies, for $3 million. Maybe China would like to do some new lending to our underwater homeowners.

    Then there is a bi-partisan bill on "Covered Bonds" working it's way through Congress. It would replace MBS's as a financing tool. Problem--it looks like a more expensive MBS with not much of the downside removed. However fixing the mortgage mess is a choice among least worst outcomes. Maybe covered bonds are an outlier solution in some kind of end-run around stymied MBS's.

    So, we will get some refinance action of some kind as an adjunct to the jobs plan. But the CBO estimate, $7B in stimulus from 2.9 million mortgages, pales in comparison to the overall jobs bill. It's sad, really, because housing refinance could help so many people. And for once we should just say to hell with the numbers, it might just be good for everybody's confidence level to see borrowers get a break for a change, instead of the banksters and "investors".

    I wish this analysis had turned out differently and my initial optimism could be confirmed. But at the moment I don't see a way to disarm the circular firing squad. Without some major disarmament of the competing parties, it's wishful thinking to suggest that mortgage refinance will have a large near term effect on the economy and jobs.

    Update: Sept 19. DeMarco made it clear today that unless Congress changes his mandate, he is not going to be part of a major refinance program. He stated that he is actually going to increase fees.  

    Comments

    I suppose one of the best questions in subplot, and to hype my own blog, would be, "Where the f#$%k have Geithner and Obama been? And how many missed opportunities? What about their nominee for FHFA being canned by Shelby. What if the banks had been downsized? Or if TARP, TALF and BARF at Citibank, for example, should have anticipated problems with mortgage finance issues and included a few solutions ahead of time---ah, anticipated.


    I don't think they missed anything.  Geithner is on the side of the banks, and whatever Obama's position is, Geithner doesn't take orders from Obama.


    Very good points.


    As deep in the refinance weeds (wow, there's a tortured metaphor for you) as you are, maybe you can splain me why first liens on primary residences (of all things!) are immune to the otherwise awsome power of a bankruptcy judge, working case by case, with fair protection from moral hazard (cause going bankrupt is a high hurdle)?

    Wouldn't that amendment to the code have gotten us a long way towards washing out the housing market?

    Other than kissing the banks ass, what policy issues militate contra?


    Thanks. Not sure about the bankruptcy provisions on the primary. I'll check it out.


    Those are the rules, (you can take it to the bank...heh heh)  They are, however, counterintuitive vis-a-vis the purported rationale for a chapter 13--to rehabilitate the debtor.

    Why rehabilitate his second home cash flow, allow the total demolition of his primary residence second lien, and then turn him and his children out on the street because his first lien is  at the bottom of the ocean?


    Banks, esp. the big 4. .......Also, they don't want their interest income reduced. Also they hold a half Trillion dollars in second mortgages--many related to underwater primary loans. Generally you can't refinance a primary without agreement of the second lien holder to re-subordinate the second.

    If one were to imagine a conspiracy, it would be this.

    When the homebuyers were told they would be able to refinance in a few years, that was the lie. The moneychangers shut the refinance window, trapping the wage slaves.

    If the ability to refinance was available, the second lien holders would have been eliminated; they would have had to seek their pound of flesh; blood money from another source.

    The banking cartel would assure their associates a higher return on the investment. The bankers controlled everything assuring that their would be no other competition.

    They knew the toxic assets would eventually explode, they hedged their bets.

    Whether the government comes to the aid or not, the suckers continuing  to pay the mortgage or the banks get the homes. Paid off by the insurance company(AIG)  or used as losses to be used as write offs, to offset their other banking profits.

    Too bad Lehman, Bear Stearns, Bank of America, you were an expendable sacrifice so that the banking cartel could finally take control.

    Impose regulations if you can, and reap the storm.

    Thanks for the bailout, now they're in the drivers seat.

    Get to work you wage slaves. You have a mortgage to make.  

    If you balk, we'll make sure you have no jobs. We're in control now.  


    Certainly being prevented from refinancing the first because the second can't be subordinated is an awful trap. I read where millions of borrowers could otherwise have qualified for a refinance under HARP. So getting the banksters to play along on re-subordinations is absolutely key to refinancing mortgages for the many underwater borrowers who have a second. (I'm equating "second" with  "home equity"--not sure that's technically correct).  

    When a mortgagee gets lower payments on the primary by refinancing to a lower rate and has had a good payment record, logic would have it that both loans would be more solid--but the banks of course won't see it that way because they are angling for a deal on reducing their overall liability for claims. Plus, all other things being equal, they'd just as well not highlight the fact that they have that many underwater mortgages with associated seconds.

    Some of the most heartbreaking stories I've heard are where a borrower finally negotiates, for example, a short sale on the primary not realizing that the bank will then turn the second mortgage over to a collection agency who will hound the him for the rest of his life--the bank probably having gotten a tax write-off in the process.  


    Not anonymous, had to re-log.


    a short sale on the primary 

    The whole short sale thing is infuriating.  If the bank is willing to take a 50k haircut on the short sale, why not just let the original mortgagor chop 45k off his lien and keep his kids in their same school?

    I may really have to ramp up the salvage division of Visigoth Wrecking and Demolition. "When you can't strip the lien, let us strip the windows..."


    Hey, Jolly, that's a great tag line. We just need some venture capital. Could replace Art Student Movers.


      I haven't activated the business model yet, but it came to me when I heard some guy (on NPR) lamenting that his bank was ready to accept a short sale with a 100 k haircut built in, but wouldn't grant his plea for a modification that would have meant a principal reduction of a lesser amount.

    I really do believe that if faced with the prospect of taking title post foreclosure of a shell with gaping holes where the windows and doors used to be (all legal, let me assure you) the bank will become more reasonable.

    Remember, it's not extortion, it's just business...


    I haven't had experiences in game theory and execution but I'm sure others here have had such. I began thinking of having all these stakeholders sitting around a large table, two to a team, advised by actual industry and government experts. Go to the Pentagon for a week. Small rooms with bunks, oatmeal and fruit brought in twice a day. In the opening session the room temperature would be set at 78 degrees. After each session, or say every four hours, break up into small groups, and the room temperature increased by a degree. It would be interesting to see what new solutions might come out which haven't yet been envisioned.


    Obama was right to choose Geithner in Dec 2008 , wrong to keep him now,and doesn't know it.

    In 2008 there was just time, barely, to start the pumps and prevent the world's economy from doing a Titanic. There wasn't time to reform anything or experiment. We  had to start the pumps , right off. And Geithner was the best tool for that.

    Under any other circumstances Geithner would have been a terrible choice for Obama because in fact Obama is clueless about this area.

    Nothing wrong with that. No one can know everything O's a pointy headed liberal intellectual. The $500 million bet on that solar power company which has just gone toes up, exacerbated by Obama himself bragging about it, was the one millionth example of the rule that Governments can't choose winners. 500 million ain't seed money. Probably Geithner advised against it at the time and that further  convinced O that G is god's gift to the economy-which he isn't.

    I voted for O and will do so again enthusiastically for the things he's good at - he's a "hedgehog" who's one big thing he knew was to do as much as he could get through Congress to rationalize our health care system.

    I accept that part of the price we're paying for O's naivete, in general and about economics in particular is that he was wildly over-impressed by Geithner's air of being a plumber come with his tools to do the job. Which he ain't, he's simply a limited Dartmouth graduate with no understanding or interest in the price paid by the lower classes for the performance of the banking sector.

    Fortunately O won't reappoint G during his second term. Because G doesn't want him to, he's no doubt sick of making 200K/per year when there are serried ranks of 29 year old B school graduates making 10 times that.

    And there's no need for his one particular skill now: the ship's afloat. Now it's time to appoint someone who's on our side. Maybe Oxymora.


    Thanks, Flavius. I'm headed out but will comment later.


    "Geithner's air of being a plumber.

    Nixon had plumbers too

    Was Geithner  put there to protect the banks, cook the books, hide the gun, blame the homeowners?(1)

    Because G doesn't want him to, he's no doubt sick of making 200K/per year when there are serried ranks of 29 year old B school graduates making 10 times that

    Time for G to cash in his IOU's?

    Maybe Goldman Sacs can reward him handsomely, for keeping the bosses out of prison. 

    (1) Of course Obama knew this, thats why he only wanted to look forward, not backwards. He wouldn't want to anger his major contributors; the banker class.

    The capitalist/banker class knew the Republican brand was damaged goods, so they courted Obama. Obama the darling, wanted to reciprocate the affection.

    O: "Whatever can I do banker class; to show you my love"   

    Banker class: "put Giethner in charge, he'll know what to do."  

    Maybe he O surprise wants a job in that sector too? G has connections

    If Obama cant make it in finance, maybe he can go to wok for a CEO of a solar panel company?


    Any or all of your allegations may well be true. Which doesn't cause me to feel that in Dec 2008 Obama should not have appointed Geithner Secretary of Treasury.

    I wouldn't buy shares in a solar panel company of which Obama was ceo. He trained to be a lawyer and then worked as a community organizer - neither equips you to be a ceo.

    And to avoid the need for a further exchange:

    FWIW I  consider having been a ceo at best irrelevant and probably  actually harmful as a criterion for eligibility as a presidential candidate. Almost as bad having been a general, at least a ceo would never have plowed $500 million into an environmental start up but if he had been so naive, brag about it in Macy's window ... Most start ups fail and in the case of environmental ones.!!!!!!!

    But as presidential errors go, an unwise investment doesn't hold a candle to an unwise war, i.e. any war.


    About the banker class actually courting Obama--that's an intriguing thought. Certainly looking at outcomes it makes sense. Makes you wonder if Perry is nominated, what will they do. I think Perry is way too much of a loose cannon for them.


    A friend of mine in Texas told me Perry has his faults, but he actively sought and delivered jobs to Texans.

    Yes, the pay is lower, but more mom and pops are hiring.

    My friend makes sense when he says, "manufacturing jobs are not going to return to the US, when you can hire labor in South America for a dollar/ hour". (China you better look out, someones going to work cheaper?)   

    "America is a business"  business people understand business.

    I blame Clinton for opening Pandora' box, that wrought upon us, free trade.

    Clinton went after the Free loaders, by giving us Free trade. US labor could no longer demand higher wages and benefits; they now had foreign competition.

    MY THOUGHTS

    From the business mans thinking  "More free trade, less free loaders?  

    Mom and pops don't want higher taxes, they'd like to hire more people.

    Mom and pops aren't interested in paying more in taxes in order to make more government jobs and workers.

    While their foreign competitors don't have to pay the taxes. (Free Trade)    

    From the business mans thinking "More free trade (without taxes) eliminates free loaders living off the business mans dime. Get rid of the business mans taxes and those who want to work will be hired.

    Does that make sense?   

    To answer your question

    If Perry or Romney is nominated they will be the banker classes darlings.

    From the business mans perspective; Obama wants the government to create jobs, Obama wants the government to collect more taxes to support the governments job creation plan.

    Private enterprise is not interested in sucking on the government (teat) or what ever, unless you're a government contractor.  

    If you're a government contractor you want more government; more taxes (A democrat?)

    If your a private company you want less government (less government = lower taxes) Republican  

    • The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

    The government robbing from one group in order to hand out favors to another.  

    Whose going to pay the taxes? Whose going to give up their spoils(treasure) to support another group.

    America is a business. Someone who understands business, will be nominated.

    "ALMS for the poor"

    Who will pay the tax? Not the Corporations; they don't need us anymore. Thanks to Free Trade.  

    How does a US mom and pop operation, paying taxes, compete against the Corporation who moves overseas to avoid the taxes? 

    TARIFFS? ........Thats not Free Trade.


    About the banker class actually courting Obama--that's an intriguing thought. Certainly looking at outcomes it makes sense. Makes you wonder if Perry is nominated, what will they do. I think Perry is way too much of a loose cannon for them.


    They'll start carrying a pistol when they're jogging.

    Jokes aside, despite being members of the  class which created this crisis, as individuals  investment bankers are simply............individuals. With opinions on e.g.  gay rights,  discrimination, capital punishment , war, even health care are probably   similar to those of average dag blogger. Certainly more so than those of Joe Lunchpail.   


    Well, in Greenwich, Conn., their estates are large enough that they can jog within their own gates.

    I think the financial industry types have a difficult choice if Perry is nominated. Do they really want to go down the Tea Party road in terms of the social aims and consequences of religious zealots and safety-net destroyers? I'm not so sure they will opt for such a path. After all, in a final calculation the Tea Party solution spells stagnation of our GDP with unintended consequences for the rest of the world. Many in the top tier are discounting domestic growth and investing and earning overseas. But what if overseas is also lousy because of the faltering of America's economy? Be careful what you wish for there, CNBC watchers.


    But what if overseas is also lousy because of the faltering of America's economy?

    South America will be the next emerging market.

    Americas faltering economy will hasten the day; Americans will be begging corporations to return."Please, please come back, we'll eliminate clean air and water standards; come back. We'll lower corporate taxes; please, please come back, do whatever you want with us, just please, please come back, were begging you "

    Instead of telling them , we don't need you; we'll support our own Domestic manufacturing.  The UAW will have to reign in their demands though.

    Of course the corporations will buy up all the new patents they can get their hands on, assuring the USA will grant them most favored status. 

    They'll show us, who needs who.

    What the heck would we do, if the only land mass on the planet was the USA and the rest of our planet was water? Whatever should we do, if we couldn't import? 

    Some in this country would have us believe, forget about Healthcare and safety nets; we'd rather have Chilean cherries? Some believe, screw American workers   we'd rather have cheap imports?


    If Obama fails to win the election, Geithner will be one of the major causes. Apparently Geithner went over like a clod in a punch bowl in Poland where he instructed Old Europe in the methodology of TARPS.


     clod in a punch bowl 

    Not to cavil, but I'm pretty sure the expression calls for  "turd".


    FHFA Director Ed DeMarco further depreciated the prospects of a mortgage refinance program in remarks to a mortgage bankers' meeting and in a CNBC interview.

    In direct contradiction to the concept of reducing GSE fees for refinance, DeMarco wants to increase them in order to meet the Congressional mandate, and he says, that of the Administration, to winding down the GSE' and forcing risk back into the private market.

    DeMarco denied that high fees were a detriment to refinancing.

    DeMarco more or less threw down the gauntlet to Congress--in effect, I'm performing my mandate the way I understand it in my fiduciary responsibilities to tax payers. If you want to change the mandate, that's a different matter.

    Thus, whatever the dim prospects of a refinance program were, they are less now following his remarks.


    Oxy, what would have happened if we hadn't bailed out the banks?

    We would have let capitalism run it's course; right off the cliff?

    Would the assets have been sold off to the highest bidder, at the courthouse steps?

    That sure would have forced the haircut, wouldn't it?  


    That's the unanswerable question. On balance I think protecting the economy from systemic failure was the right thing to do. I think where Obama should have pivoted was right after the election in 2010. I think he should have dumped Geithner right at that point and framed the mortgage problem and the bad economy as the singular problem it is.

    What actually happened from the beginning of Obama's term was that the TBTF banks, by absorbing Country wide, Merrill and such, became even bigger and more difficult to downsize. Whether these acquisitions should have been encouraged instead of just letting them go into bankruptcy is the question, imo.


    Whatever it was, it violated the principles of free enterprise.

    You think there would be some humility? Maybe they would say; "let us forgive you homeowners, of some of your debt; had it not been for your kindness we wouldn't be here today."


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