Will Perry perchance pivot? Possibly.

    Despite Perry's poor debate performances and his current whipping boy status among Republican pundits as well as Fox News, I am not one who thinks this guy is out of the running for winning the Republican Primary. 

    Perry's handlers made the choice to start Perry the Pitcher in a Playoff series his first week out of the minors and he has lost his first three games. It's of course 20/20 hindsight but his handlers should not have made him the immediate target of the other "contenders" but should have had him play nice with the others for a while and stick to attacking Obama until he got used to the national stage. Maybe they suspected such attacks on Perry's vulnerabilities and concluded that the Alpha Male ploy was the best shot. He certainly throws his chest out and bends his knees appropriately

    Perry's handlers certainly understood his retail appeal to the Tea Party base. But apparently they not only underestimated Willard Romney's line delivery but even the damage a lightweight like Bachmann could inflict upon Perry re vulnerable issues like "government injections of young girls". After Perry's fumble on the "ya'll ain't got no heart" statement, Romney had a great comeback the next day: "It's not that we don't have a heart, but that you have to have both a heart and a brain." Pretty devastating, but shows a flavor of what Perry's position on college tuition might have been in the first place. If Romney had come up that quip all by himself on the stage he might have won the entire Primary with a grand slam right then and there. 

    Viscerally, I think the Tea Party still wants Perry, and I could be wrong but I discount the straw poll vote for Cain. If Perry can find a pivot point I think he can make a comeback. Chris Hayes had what I thought was a good analysis of where Romney and Perry stand. He said that Romney now has Perry bracketed on both the left and the right: in the further debates Romney will run to the left of Perry on Social Security, thus appealing to Independents, and will run to the right of him on immigration, mitigating a lot of Perry's support from the right wing. Obviously Perry needs not only to change the subject but to find some Romney vulnerability other than Romneycare.

    One of the things I don't understand about Perry is where his financial backing is coming from, particularly because Romney seems to have the Eastern Establishment Capitalist crowd locked up. Despite his clumsiness my guess is that Perry still owns a slug of the Tea Party base--but I'm not sure the contributions there are enough to sustain him in a long Primary, particularly when Romney begins to attack him with advertising. And what about the Koch Brothers, who I assume love Perry. How distinct are they from Romney's Wall Street investment banking backers and will they keep Perry going? And is there something in the wings with Rove, Bush, et al.?

    In any case, I wonder if Perry doesn't have a shot at adopting the populist pitchfork stance against the bank crowd. Not knowing his backers, such an attack might be impossible. But the anti-bank sentiment has yet to be tapped by any candidate, Republican or Democrat. As we are almost back to square one on the bank crisis, the economy is struggling, and unemployment is obviously stuck where it is, why not blame the country's ills on the banks who are obviously being coddled by Obama, and more importantly, by Obama-lite -- Willard Romney.

    Of course, much of what Perry does will depend upon whether he can still muster enough Tea Party support to get him through Iowa and South Carolina, and move directly into the South.  I assume there will be polls next week and it will be interesting to see if that 4% advantage over Romney has been wiped out. Perhaps Perry's actual voter support will be Precipitous but it might be stronger than what seems to be the conventional wisdom following his last debate.

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    You ask some good questions. Most of the tea party chapters are in the deep south. Perry has their support, but the real challenge for him now is the traditional non evangelical GOP voter. Calling social security a ponce scheme didn't help.

    Sounds like they can pivot. But will they?


    Only when the music calls for a spinning move...kinda like the grateful dead girls in days of yore...God, how I love gauze...


    Brilliant. I never thought of "gauze" as being the essential image of the Grateful Dead. Gauze is still inexpensive and readily available at Family Dollar, so we may see a repeat of the days of yore.


    my reference lacked detail. Gauze skirts. Girls onstage. Backlit. Jerry? Flannel.

    I got the backlit part. I think. And Jerry, flannel. And Cherry Garcia. But I really don't get Schweddy Balls--I'm not sure if that just doesn't turn me off to the brand. How about a combination of Cherry Garcia, Flannel and Schweddy Balls.  Against backlit gauze.


    Ben & Jerry's next flavor-Phil Me Gaws


    I didn't know about the concentration of Tea Party chapters in the South. Thanks for the info.


    I agree. The predictions of Perry's downfall feel to me like pundits playing a conventional game on a very unconventional field.

    The right wing has not taste for Romney. He's too establishment, too Massachusetts, and too Mormon. And as he returns to front-runner status, the rest of the gorgons will turn their hissing tongues on him.

    Meanwhile, the right will likely remain split up until the first primaries, but they will ultimately settle on someone. I don't see that being anyone but Perry. He's got the money, the governing experience, the charm, and enough mainstream cred to have a shot in the general election (unlike Bachmann).

    The right wingers will mobilize aggressively, just as they did in 2010. They see this as their moment. I believe that they will simply outvote the moderates tepidly supporting Romney.


    Oy.  Just, oy.


    I respectfully must disagree with you. My position is "vey".


    I was rendered speechless before I got to "vey"

    Thanks. I really like, "..playing a conventional game on a very unconventional field."


    Hey Genghis--I laughed my arse off a minute ago reading a HuffP0 headline--"Obama blasts Perry"--"A Governor whose state is on fire, denying Climate Change." Can there be any bigger boost to the candidate Democrats would prefer to run against than having Obama attack him? Man will that consolidate Perry's support. This is fascinating, talk about unpredictability. But I also think you play with fire when you mess around in someone else's primary battle.


    Alliteration is an art; an art of rhetoric.

    Perry is a pea-pissing pig proposing para-philosophies with a lack of a preponderance of evidence for the sole purpose of preempting others from the Presidential nomination for these here United States of America.

    On the other hand, Mitt is just an asshole.

    THE END


    Perry proposed to purloin the pea pickers but pecked himself into a pickel.


    Who knows? but I too am am predisposed to propose that picking at his prose can point out the pot holes in the prick-headed piss ant's  pitiful, pinheaded, pea-brained, pose.


    Pithy.


    Petulant also comes to mind.  


    pathetically pootulant!  Only a nurse can coin such a word!


    I think most, if not all, bets are off right now in American politics, which plainly are far more volatile than usual these days.  There are any number of directions our politics could go in. 

    Since the 2008 meltdown, the political system has failed to be responsive to what very large portions of the public are experiencing in their own lives, even while there are widespread perceptions that those with the greatest wealth and power increasingly own the system and enjoy special privileges the rest of us don't, and won't, get. We have one major political party (the other one has trouble making up its mind on this point) whose Thatcherite ideology leads it to operate as though there really is no such thing as a society, only a collection of individuals which they have carefully segmented into gettable blocs of votes organized around various shared forms of, mainly, bigotry, ignorance, and greed. 

    A safe prediction is that a lot of unpredictable things are going to happen between now and next November.  For those who think they've got it figured out, something else will happen and maybe they'll realize they never really did. 


    About the wealth and power distribution in our country and the perceptions of it. Always taking the insanely optimistic view of Obama's chances I do find it interesting that the polls are now showing overwhelming support for taxing the rich and having corporations pay their fair share. I may be wrong but that seems to be a significant shift from a while back.


    Yeah, it's like Buffett spoke up and that seemed to encourage Obama to be more assertive on that issue, which of course is one aspect, albeit an important one, of this. 

    E.J. Dionne, Jr. noted in an August 28 column of his, "Obama's Paradox Problem", that one of the costs to the GOP of its strategy of obstruction is that its own approval ratings are horrible, even worse than Obama's: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/obamas_paradox_problem_20110831/

    There may be some GOP elected officials and perhaps even some influential strategists who see an electoral case for a tactical GOP retreat on taxes for the wealthy and corporations, the jobs bill Obama's been also been aggressively pushing of late (yay!), or both.  So I hope Obama and Congressional Dems and all of us who support this will keep the pressure on, keep building a fire under the GOP's behinds on these issues.  Without giving up stuff we shouldn't be giving up and taking more pounds of flesh out of folks who've had to bear almost all of the pain and the burdens so far.  Just make the GOP say no, very publicly, if they're going to block.  Our terms, for once.   Once again, we have the public overwhelmingly on our side on both issues.  Will we for once figure out what to do with that and get some clear wins for a change?

    I may be overly sensitive (or insanely optimistic/looking for rays of hope) on this but in a meeting in DC I was at last week, the conservative and Republican participants in their introductions to the group seemed a bit defensive and eager to characterize themselves as "not Right".  Maybe there gets to be an embarrassment factor after awhile when you see people like Bachmann, Perry, Palin, etc., etc. out there constantly as the face of your party of choice.   


    Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway just announced a share buy back program. Now there's a share the wealth idea. And also a $10-20 Billion stimulus with no votes needed from Congress.


    Where there's a will there's a way, right?  I'm reminded of former Connecticut Senator and Governor Lowell Weicker, the kind of Republican (before he became an independent) who doesn't exist any more, quoting Churchill: "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing--after they've tried everything else." 


    I remember Weicker, a good man. In fact, I can remember Prescott Bush, egad.


    Perry up +7 over Romney in a CNN/Opinion Research poll conducted Fri, Sat, and Sun and released today. His average over the last 7 or 8 polls is 6.2.


    Seems to me, though, there's lots of evidence (see here for one example) that GOP politicos fear that won't continue, i.e., that the more GOP voters see of him, the less they will approve of him.

    I haven't watched any of the debates, just catching stuff about them in my reading here and there. From that I get the sense that this isn't at all like early on in George Bush's run for the presidency. I remember "W" as really fucking up a lot early on, and there was a lot of attention given to those fuck-ups, but the people behind him didn't seem worried, it was like they were sure they could fix the problems. I don't see that here--there's no confidence in being able to "fix" him-- instead I see people scrambling to find someone else.



    Thanks, Artsy.  There's a lot of discussion about Christie. Bloomberg News was all over it today, inviting Christie to be a guest on their show during the New Hampshire debate.

    I think there is a hard core tea bagger group which wants someone who will punch out Obama, speaking metaphorically. It's almost if they just don't care about the fact that Romney is running much stronger against Obama in the general election polls so far, they want their anger and hate expressed. 

    As for Christie, he has taken some moderate positions which the tea baggers won't like, so I don't know if he'll pull that much support away from Perry. On the other hand Christie has that "in your face" attitude that the tea baggers love, so a big plus for him.

    Isn't it interesting that the Republican base wants the most offensive candidate they can find. It's all about lambasting Obama.

    But to your point about people scrambling to find someone else, I think that's very true.


    Nate Silver had this at NYT yesterday, on Christie, Perry and Romney:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/26/is-christie-the-anti-perry-or-the-anti-romney/


    Also with some points pertinent to this is Frank Rich's September 25 "In Praise of Extremism", in New York magazine, which I'll also link to in the news section:

    http://nymag.com/news/frank-rich/bipartisanship-2011-10/

     


    Thanks for those references.

    I think my main conclusion about Perry, at least this morning, is that he will continue to get the support of the hard core right wing simply because of what he portrays, not what he says. Polls in the coming week or two will be telling.

    As for Christie he's simply a different animal from Perry even though he shows a similar stripe of pugnaciousness. But I think that is an innate North/South divide that will keep Perry supporters from moving to Christie.

    Per Rich's article I think Perry is very vulnerable on the so called Texas miracle and job creation on which he has based his candidacy. I think Obama will dice it and slice it and it is insurance against a landslide towards Perry.  


    Dreamer, had to re-log.


    Well, whatever guys.  After 46 years I am in love again, so nothing bothers me!!!


    Are you going to elaborate on that?


    Unelectable Perry finally pivots to Populism, albeit probably not propitiously.

    Perry knocks the Republican establishment, Wall St. greed and Vulture Capitalism---which destroys jobs instead of create jobs.  

     


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