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    How te rest of the world reacts to the killing on bin Baden

    I was wondering after all the hoopla, what do some of the other countries and people feel about this. Most especially Pakistan. Well here is what the Guardian has on this.

    We've heard a lot of reaction from the US and a bit from the UK and elsewhere, but what are Bin Laden's followers and sympathisers saying? A snapshot of their feelings can be found here on the Jihadology website, which monitors Jihadi commentary. Here's a taster:


    "O Allah, make this news not true"

    "Allah protect us in our loss"

    "God willing, news is not true. Catastrophic if it is authentic."

    "Jihad will not stop because of Sheikh's death, it will continue until we gain victory."

    "If it is true then we must thank Allah that America was not able to capture him alive. Else they would be humiliating him like Saddam Hussain. At last he may have find his greatest desire of Shahada."

    "Think not of those killed in the way of Allah dead, but alive with the Lord. We consider him a martyr. O Allah, accept the martyrs. And join us by the Lord of the Worlds"

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    As soon as the euphoria and relief die down, people are going to be asking how exactly OBL managed to live undetected in a huge and very distinctive compound in a Pakistani town with a massive military presence. The Times of India is already suggesting that the episode will prove highly embarrassing for the Pakistani government and security services. And that, the paper says, is why some officials are trying to claim Pakistan played a major part in the action — despite Obama's statement that "a small team of Americans carried out the operation".


    In a glaring counter-narrative, Pakistani security officials claimed Bin Laden was nailed in a joint operation between CIA and Pakistani forces. "It was carried out on a very precise info that some high-value target is there," one Pakistani official was quoted as saying.

    US analysts uniformly suggested this was clearly aimed at ducking charges of the Pakistani military's possible role in hiding bin Laden. ''This is hugely embarrassing for Pakistan,'' was a common refrain on US TV channels throughout the night.

    The rest of the piece is here

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    Amrullah Saleh, who is the former head of the National Directorate of Security — Afghanistan's equivalent of MI5 — has been letting off steam about the fact that Osama bin Laden managed to hide in plain sight in Pakistan.

    Ben Farmer, the Daily Telegraph's Afghanistan correspondent, has tweeted this:

    Amrullah Saleh, former Afghan spy chief, says "no way" bin Laden could rent compound in Abbottabad without government or ISI knowing.less than a minute ago

    Saleh says: "Does Pakistan want the whole world to believe that the intelligence agency of a nuclear state did not know OBL was there?"less than a minute ago via

    My colleague Brian Whitaker has drawn this to our attention. It's an early reaction to the news from The Arabist blog by Issandr El Amrani

    A bittersweet moment: he deserved to die, but it took so long to track him down, despite all of the billions spent in intelligence and high-tech defence gear, that by the time he died it seemed almost irrelevant to the wider problems of the region. Also, to think of all the time and lives wasted, and the unnecessary, criminal ventures like the war on Iraq that were justified in the name of fighting Bin Laden. But I'm a believer in revenge, and symbolically this is important for the US, and for the families of the victims of 9/11. Let's hope this might be used as an occasion to turn the page in US foreign policy.
    Several things do strike you, though. First, outside of Pakistan and the US this won't be much of a big deal — and it probably wouldn't have been either at any point in the last decade, which goes to show how the alarmism about Bin Laden being some kind of popular figure in the Muslim world was misplaced. Secondly, where's Ayman Zawahri? And thirdly, the amount of Pakistani complicity with Bin Laden really seems beyond the pale.

    And Pakistan has issued what has to be the ultimate in political incongruity.

    Here's what Pakistan's foreign ministry has to say about the raid:

    In an intelligence driven operation, Osama Bin Laden was killed in the surroundings of Abbotabad in the early hours of this morning. This operation was conducted by the US forces in accordance with declared US policy that Osama bin Laden will be eliminated in a direct action by the US forces, wherever found in the world.

    Earlier today, President Obama telephoned President Zardari on the successful US operation which resulted in killing of Osama bin Laden.

    Osama bin Ladin's death illustrates the resolve of the international community including Pakistan to fight and eliminate terrorism. It constitutes a major setback to terrorist organisations around the world.

    Al-Qaida had declared war on Pakistan. Scores of al-Qaida sponsored terrorist attacks resulted in deaths of thousands of innocent Pakistani men, women and children. Almost, 30,000 Pakistani civilians lost their lives in terrorist attacks in the last few years. More than 5,000 Pakistani security and armed forces officials have been martyred in Pakistan's campaign against al-Qaida, other terrorist organisations and affiliates.

    Pakistan has played a significant role in efforts to eliminate terrorism. We have had extremely effective intelligence sharing arrangements with several intelligence agencies including that of the US. We will continue to support international efforts against terrorism.

    It is Pakistan's stated policy that it will not allow its soil to be used in terrorist attacks against any country. Pakistan's political leadership, parliament, state institutions and the whole nation are fully united in their resolve to eliminate terrorism.

    Amazing.

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    In Germany I haven't heard a word from my neighbors...it's a non-issue. But I have to say, one person in the captions above referred to the humiliation of Saddam Hussain at the hands of Americans. That's the big issue between the US and the Arab world. Unfortunately, Arabs are only capable of retalatory terrorist strikes at the West, particularly the US, when a perceived injustice is felt. It's a reason why the Middle East needs to be left to their own devices and the West, specifically the US should avoid at any costs...let them come to us rather than we using our influence to steer them in our direction. If they want something then they will have to decide if it's worth the cost to their society. It's what Osama was fighting about in the first place...leave us be and let us decide what we want under our way of life without the trappings of the west.


    In Switzerland, or more precisely in Geneva, it's been on everyone's lips, and there's a lot of ambivalence all round. Geneva considers itself the little sister of New York for a variety of reasons - whether you work in the banks, at the UN or in academia you end up going back and forth alot. So there was a great sense of relief or closure or catharsis when people heard the news which cannot be just described as vicarious. Smiles of quiet satisfaction and such.

    That said, there was also a lot of discomfort around the circumstances of his death, Obama's speech and the cheering in the streets in the US. There was an hourlong panel discussion on the local channel and the focus of debate was on two things:

    (i) Whether Bin Laden was summarily executed and the extent to which that was problematic. There was virtually univocal regret that he was executed rather than taken alive, and broad agreement that contra Obama, by definition 'justice' is not 'done' by means of summary execution. They compared this action unfavorably with the Israeli operation to bring Eichman to Israel and try him in a court of law.

    (ii) Whether the burial at sea was fully consistent with Islamic law and Wahabi tradition. Apparently it is not legal according to the Islamic scholars present, except by a very convoluted reading of the norms in question.

    Tarik Ramadan was on the panel, and was up in arms about the execution, the celebration in the US, the burial, and ... well ... just very upset.


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