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    Another good reason to despise Fox

    Not that reasons are hard to find.

    The only thing I watch on Fox is The Family Guy, so I certainly don't ever stay up past 3 to catch Red Eye. But someone emailed me a link, and I thought I'd share:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPmXKEsm-HE

    Not clever or funny to begin with, but especially unfunny to relatives and friends of the four Canadian soldiers whose bodies returned today from Afghanistan -- the 113th, 114th, 115th and 116th to die there since Canada took on a combat role in 2002.

    More than 2500 are fighting in Kandahar, the Taliban heartland. Thousands more have rotated through. Proportionally, their casualties have been higher than U.S. troops in the country -- far higher, in fact, than U.S. troops in Iraq, and comparable to Canadian losses in World War II.

    The Fox show also mocks the RCMP. More than three dozen Canadian police -- half  of them Mounties -- are also posted to Kandahar, where they train Afghan cops. Fortunately, none of them have been killed yet.

    I realize this is just a stupid, cheap timeslot-filler for nightowl viewers bored with infomercials. Not really worth the indignation. It's Fox, for God's sake. But maybe it tells us that it's time Americans took back their media.

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    They are really despicable human beings. What the hell is the matter with them? And what does Fox get for acting like this?

    I do not watch Fox cable and it is rare for me to watch Fox at all.


    To be fair (if not really balanced) the show did air last week, before the latest deaths by IED.
    And after the videoclip went viral, the host did issue an apology (apparently the show's humorous intent was misunderstood).
    Fox glorifies ignorance of the world. It's their way of telling viewers that their own ignorance is a God-given right.


    Is that a real Fox network show or is it local cable time anyone can buy? I've never heard or seen any of the people on the show, so I'm thinking it's a local studio people can rent for cheap and share with call in astrologers and students trying to get into broadcasting.


    I'd never heard of the show either, but you can find it on foxnews.com, which appears to be a bona-fide Fox website. Host Greg Gutfeld can even be reached at [email protected].


    it comes on late on FOX cable, I think. But it is a FOX show. Never watched it but saw a clip of it while watching another show.


    I've been apopleptic about this today, acanuck, as have most of the people I know. 250,000 hits and 15,000 comments in 1 day on YouTube, and more at the major papers sites. (Multiply by 10 for a US equivalent.)

    The guy issued an apology, but then twittered another shot at the Canadian military - something about maybe they could beat Belgium. And he isn't just on at Fox, he does columns/humour at HuffPo.

    Canada started earlier in WW1 and WW2 both, and lost more people per capita than the U.S. Our first 4 casualties in Afghanistan were to US friendly fire, and their pilot only got a reprimand. But we stayed on 7 years.

    So just when the US needs allies in Afghanistan, I'd say this one thing has blown it. It was always 50/50, and always partly committed to just because our neighbours were in a scrap. After today? I can tell you, there is rage. The media seems to want to bring the whole house down, enrage all the US's allies, enrage the people, burn it to the ground.

    You have to imagine somebody going on TV here and calling the US forces pussies, while they're coming home dead. Go to the Toronto Star front page. See the people lining the highway for the 4 caskets. There's a series of pictures worth seeing here.

    Then imagine these guys saying the soldiers need manicures, pedicures.

    A national disgrace.


    "And what does Fox get for acting like this?"
    Like the GOP, Fox plays to the lowest possible human denominator. Just when you thought you had seen it all with Billy O, and the prime time line-up at Fox. What a disgusting group of talking heads.


    Don't go all high hog on us.

    the GOPUSA arm of GOPUSA

    ick!


    It would be helpful if someone could make a list of Rupert Murdock's Canadian assets and interests so Canadians could express their opinion of this charlatan by hitting him in the wallet. I have not knowingly bought a Murdock product for over a decade and I implore others to do likewise.


    I have ben staring at the damned comment box on my computer for about an hour trying to write something that expresses my level of contempt for those assholes and also wondering why I feel a need to apologize for them. But I do.
    Sorry, quinn
    Sorry, Canada.


    Thanks Lulu. It was one of those astounding "wrong word at the wrong time" moments I think. With those 4 caskets coming back, just after they'd said it.

    But thanks for your thoughts. Have a great night.


    Quinn:
    The irony is how insignificant the show itself is -- an unwatchable batch of would-be second-string pundits who couldn't even make Fox prime time. A waste of perfectly good anger.
    Yet it touched a nerve. Even Defence Minister Peter MacKay joined in the outrage, after he heard about the show while heading to the repatriation ceremony for the four soldiers.
    (U.S. readers should know that arrival of flag-draped coffins is often carried live on TV, not done secretly in the dark of night. Thousands line the stretch of road the bodies take on their initial return home, which has been renamed in their honor.)
    I do believe anger over this gaffe will fade and we'll uphold our commitment to stay until 2011. But yeah, a decade sure is a long time to fight someone else's war.


    I also believe that the anger will fade.

    What is interesting to me is the level of anger over this incident. It communicates a change in Canadians, not normally a people easily moved to anger, or a people who have a strong, pro-military tradition. If anything, Canadian comedians have always been able to target the military for how weak it is in terms of Canadian investment in military equipment.

    It's not so funny anymore.

    And I attribute it to the public way in which Canada now honours and mourns each of the soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

    It is always front page news. Right across the country, no matter which province the soldier was from. Their lives, loves and loved ones are described and mourned for what won't be.

    When the caskets arrive, they are always greeted by a member of the Canadian government and/or the representative of the Queen, the Governor General.

    There are stretches of highway that have been designated as memorial highways. I live near a 100 mile stretch known as The Highway of Heroes, which goes between Trenton (a Candadian military base) and Toronto. When the hearses, carrying the flag draped caskets, drive along this stretch of highway, people line the overpasses, as do firetrucks, ambulances and police cars, flashing their lights to also show respect. Police block the entrances on to the highway, to ensure uninterrupted passage for the soldiers caskets and the rest of the motorcade, carrying the families of these soldiers.

    It's extraordinarily moving.

    Each time, through this public ritual of acknowledgment and mourning, Canadians as a whole have to confront the reality of one more dead and the commitment that has been made in Afghanistan.

    These people are not numbers to us. We know each of their faces, their lives, their hopes, and how they died.

    For a country that has a tradition of self-effacing humour directed most often at laughing at our own foibles, there are some things that are no longer funny to us.


    To these smug, unfunny 'Red Eye' douchebags, everything is reduced by their cynicism to just another punch line. They completely fail to "get" Daily Show-style irony and humour, so of course they can't successfully imitate it.

    One of the alleged "comedians" on the panel had a stand-up gig scheduled for Edmonton, Alberta last night, but the show had to be cancelled due to threats of violence. I don't condone such threats, but I completely understand them.

    Has there ever, ever been a conservative comedian/commentator who was actually funny? I seem to recall chuckling at one line in an otherwise boring P.J. O'Rourke essay once...


    A country that remembers and honors its fallen soldiers in such a public way will be less likely to put them in harms way for foolish pre-emptive wars of choice like Iraq. We have a lot to learn from our northern neighbors. And I would have welcomed a peaceful Canadian takeover of the Eastern and Western coasts of America during the GWB years.

    Like Lulu, I apologize for the chickenhawks of Fox on Red Eye. I guarantee they have never worn the uniform of their country but have the audacity to challenge those who have. It is appalling.


    Asshole twits make bucks for Murdoch. End of story.
    Canada, stand tall and never doubt the honor your finest deserve.
    To our everlasting shame, our honorable dead went down the Dover memory hole. And the living were cast off and refused care for their wounds.


    They are smug, self-righteous, hypocritical, loud-mouthed cowards as are most media conservatives. How much would you bet that NOT ONE of those four Fox asshats trash-talking Canada's military has ever served a day in the U.S. military?! They all look young enough to enlist and fight, why haven't they? They claim to support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

    Oh, that's right, they're probably following in Dick-'five deferments'-Cheney's shoes. Dick claimed to support the Vietnam war (as did W.), he just didn't support it enough to go fight it himself. What more needs to be said to discredit all of these people than that?


    I guess anyone can get a show these days.


    I appreciate that so many commenters here get it.
    The military toll resonates in part because half the population doesn't think Canada should even be in Afghanistan.
    Yes, unlike Iraq, it's a defensible, justifiable war. But our entry into it was morally ambiguous.
    Pressed by Bush to join the nascent "coalition of the willing," our prime minister offered instead to take a major combat role in Afghanistan, freeing up a similar number of U.S. troops for Iraq.
    So, from the start, many Canadians saw our Afghan involvement as surreptitious support for an illegal, immoral war.
    I miss the days when Canada explicitly set peacekeeping as its No. 1 military role, and earned international respect for it.


    Payback is a bitch. Doug Benson, the doofus comedian who made the asinine comment that he didn't know Canadians were fighting in Afghanistan just lost a bunch of money. He was supposed to do an engagement at a comedy club in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. As it so happens, Edmonton is the home of the First Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group and there is a very large military installation nearby. The club where he was supposed to appear received a number of threats against Benson and cancelled his gig. Actually, it might have been better to keep quiet and then boo him off the stage on successive nights until he was fired--or been literally booted off the stage.


    Now THAT is change I can believe in!!!

    Expose what Murdock owns and get out of his revenue stream!


    What a circus! I wonder if the Reich wing is making blonde jokes because she was the only one who had the audacity to show the soldiers a little of the respect they deserve?


    Uffda, great info. Sometimes there comes to us a little justice.


    On the contrary, this slur is very much worth the indignation and more. Conservatives have gone off the deep end with their attacks. This one against Canadian soldiers was particularly egregious and then there was the trash talker calling the Obamas trash, not to mention the insurrection oratory of Backman and Sessions.

    I thought when Obama was elected we would see change for the better from those vile people, but they seem to have become even worse, and after all the election angst I still WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!


    As someone living in close proximity to Canada, with MANY Canadian relatives, I have to say how sorry I am for the compounding of your country's loss by such an insufferable turd.

    Gutfield is nothing but a worthless prick. Check out his Twitter feed (how utterly apropos that something named TWITter is the Republicans' greatest new intarwebz tool - they are too stupid to know how it works!) to see what this mendacious scumbag continues to say. I guess he hasn't yet realized that feeds can be subscribed, stupid mouthbreathing piece of shit that he is.

    FUCKS NEWS: So fair, so balanced - just like a show trial at Gitmo.

    Yeah, that about sums it up.


    I am deeply sorry as an American about the comments regarding your fallen soldiers. I agree with the many comments on here related to the dignity and honor with which the Canadian people honor and remember those that have served. I also agree that there needs to be outrage over this sort of commentary especially from a news organization who so readily decried any of the protesters throughout the Iraq war as unpatriotic. Hit fox where it hurts, in the wallet. The comments about Michelle Obama as trash were equally bizarre and repugnant. The Bachmann comments, as well as those from Pete Sessions, seemed to almost be advocating a position of armed resistance. I have no idea how they ca say these things and get away with it but it only reinforces much of the popular sentiment that the powerful, rich and/or well connected live in a completely different country than the one that I live in.


    I'm loath to defend Fox, but the show did air before the latest four soldiers were killed. Still, even a minimum of research would have shown that over 100 had died, hopefully prompting the show's producer to think twice about mocking Canada's war effort.
    What can you say? It's Fox News.


    I can't think of anything new to add, but feel the need to weigh in. This is right up there with calling the fist lady trash, maybe even worse...Fox just doesn't get it, and they need to.

    I add my apologies. We're not all assholes.


    From hanging around TPM, it's clear to me the assholes are definitely in the minority.


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