Affirmative action results


    Sounds to me like Bernie is not comfortable with the new woke lingo and goals:

    Part of me says the "equality" is frequently quite wishful, that paying attention to the stats to measure outcomes and finding new ways to untilt the field as needed will be an ongoing process.But that untilting the field means the white trailer trash mother and kids get a hand, Kanye's kids don't need more, and hard work such as in Asian families frequently shouldn't be punished. But there are also natural benefits from living in Silicon Valley if you're in tech, LA if you're in film, NY if you're in finance. Trying to fix all the world's disequilibria is madness. Why was Ari Onassis able to hitch a ride to Buenos Aires, arrive with $5, yet end up a billionaire? Why don't we teach *that* lesson more? Was it his "white male privilege"? Why isn't Greece auperwealtgy then?

    Personally I think 'law and order' had more to do with the below (espec.because that is what NY GOP candidates were clearly stressing) BUT THIS TOO

    thread of responses:

    Excellent reporting the judge’s sealing the sidebars — and the author/researcher’s efforts leading to their unsealing.

    — Jane Shay Wald (@janefourmillion) March 24, 2023

    The Secret Joke at the Heart of the Harvard Affirmative-Action Case

    A federal official wrote a parody of Harvard’s attitude toward Asian Americans and shared it with the dean of admissions. Why did a judge try to hide that from the public?

    March 23


    hijacking thread for a moment, but related to above map, excellent point from an outsider about how political partisan Americans delude themselves with their spin:


    An extra 5% Asian - near 30% - plus 10% "2 or more" can drop those white numbers.
    But I also recall places where Blacks "only" had 20% or so, despite making up 12-13% of the population, and that caused some scandal. 

    posted without comment

    With the SCOTUS ruling on affirmative action drawing closer and closer, the #BlasianMarch says that Asian and Black communities will NOT be pitted against each other to dismantle this step towards economic restorative justice.

    — BlasianMarch (@BlasianMarch) April 18, 2023

    I feel i should unnerstand somehow


    discussion continues on thread


    I used to think all the wealthy black athletes would leave lots of opportunity for new generations, but I'm starting to think there are some data points I didn't consider.

    [and has little to do with sexuality, and more to do with "too much time & money on their hands"]

    Voters did this:

    Nobody in the whole ducking history of the universe had time for this much bullshit. If they're not killing you or enslaving you, that's 2/3 of the way there.

    People are largely shits. So short of Jesus coming back to straighten it all out (notice he didn't do it the 1st time), just expect it's a bit more than parting the sea. Settle for the improvements, and stop all your bitching, you perfectionists.

    By Pamela Paul @, May 25, 2023, 5:00 a.m. ET

    In 1991, Stephen L. Carter, a professor at Yale Law School, began his book “Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby” with a discomfiting anecdote. A fellow professor had criticized one of Carter’s papers because it “showed a lack of sensitivity to the experience of Black people in America.” When the professor, who was white, learned that Carter was Black, he withdrew the remark rather than defend his claim. It was a reminder to Carter that many people, especially among his fellow establishment elites, had certain expectations of him as a Black man.

    “I live in a box,” he wrote, one bearing all kinds of labels, including “Careful: Discuss Civil Rights Law or Law and Race Only” and “Warning! Affirmative Action Baby! Do Not Assume That This Individual is Qualified!”

    This was a book that refused to dance around its subject.

    Weaving personal narrative with a broader discussion of affirmative action’s successes and limitations, “Reflections of an Affirmative Action Baby” offered a nuanced assessment. A

    graduate of Stanford and Yale Law School, Carter was a proud beneficiary of affirmative action. Yet he acknowledged the personal toll it took (“a decidedly mixed blessing”) as well as affirmative action’s sometimes troubling effects on Black people as the programs evolved over time.

    I first read “Reflections” for a class on city politics at Brown University shortly after it came out, and shortly after Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court to fill the seat formerly held by Thurgood Marshall, for whom Carter had served as a clerk. The fact that Thomas was very likely nominated because he was Black and because he opposed affirmative action posed a conundrum for many supporters of racial preferences. Was being Black enough? Or did you have to be “the right kind” of Black person? It’s a question Carter openly wrestles with in his book.

    In anticipation of what many expect will be the end of affirmative action when the Supreme Court issues decisions in two cases about college admissions at the end of the current term, I thought I’d return to the book that first got me thinking seriously about the subject. What immediately struck me on rereading it was how prescient Carter was about these debates 32 years ago. What role affirmative action should take was playing out then in ways that continue to reverberate.

    The end of affirmative action, in Carter’s view, was both necessary and inevitable. “We must reject the common claim that an end to preferences ‘would be a disastrous situation, amounting to a virtual nullification of the 1954 desegregation ruling,’” he wrote, quoting the activist and academic Robert Allen. “The prospect of its end should be a challenge and a chance.”

    For Carter, affirmative action was a necessary stopgap measure to remedy historical discrimination. Like many people today — both proponents and opponents of affirmative action — he expressed reservations about relying on diversity as the constitutional basis for racial preferences.

    The diversity argument holds that people of different races benefit from one another’s presence, which sounds desirable on its face. But the implication of recruiting for diversity, Carter explained, had less to do with admitting Black students to redress past discrimination and more to do with supporting and reinforcing essentialist notions about Black people.

    An early critic of groupthink, Carter warned against “the idea that Black people who gain positions of authority or influence are vested a special responsibility to articulate the presumed views of other people who are Black — in effect, to think and act and speak in a particular way, the Black way — and that there is something peculiar about Black people who insist on doing anything else.” [....]

    Don't have to agree 100% to see this as a very intriguing point:

    Oh Jesus fuck me - a church is a once a week free club you don't have to prep for.

    A college is a paid commitment to dozens of hours a week.

    Compare Church with Game of Thrones, except you can watch it at home and not so many seasons, but still, it's about the same time and money commitment as church, and it's a topic to socialize around.

    And then there's going to the gym or fitness, where you actually have to out in some work to get whatever results you think you want. Do you want a community college bod, a college bod, an elite university bod? You gotta work and pay. Not like Harvard, but there's till "no pain, no gain".

    NYC has stupid rules about what banks have to do to get the opportunity to handle the public's money:

    Since banks try to maximize their profits, they only discriminate based on competence and credit worthiness. What N.Y.C wants is for banks to hire and make loans to minority applicants, even if they are less qualified and more likely to default.

    — Peter Schiff (@PeterSchiff) May 25, 2023

    Not enough activists and social workers - how can they function in 2023?

    Good to see NY becoming California - beachware soon.

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