MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Argentina for heaven's sake!
And he takes the name of my favorite saint.
I thought that this ritual would not no effect on me.
It does!
by Richard Day on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 3:36pm
Don't know anything about him yet beyond babbling on CNN, that as archbishop he lived in a small apartment and took the bus to work, is a Jesuit (the first Jesuit to be a pope?!) and is of Italian heritage.
Let's hope he doesn't end up making St. Francis roll over in his grave.
No doubt the conclave was partly thinking about the growing conversion rate of Catholics to Evangelical Christianity in Latin America.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 3:59pm
No doubt the conclave was partly thinking about the growing conversion rate of Catholics to Evangelical Christianity in Latin America.
That was my first thought as well.
There are sure a lot of firsts associated with this choice. Was surprised to read that he is the first Jesuit pope -- not that I know very much about Catholic factions. Was that the faction CNN was referring to when they said he was a member of the church's most conservative wing?
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:06pm
No, Jesuits can range the spectrum from left wing to right wing. I would say you could define them as "the intellectual order."
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:12pm
you could define them as "the intellectual order.
That, I did know. Any idea the name of the most conservative wing? Would like to read up on them.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:15pm
Looking at the wikipedia entry, I don't think I can help, nothing jumps out at me as an especially famous conservative group. Are you sure they weren't just saying that he's known for "doctrinal conservatism," like wikipedia does? Doctrinal conservatism would mean things like he would be for maintaining celibacy for priests, against abortion and birth control and same sex marriage,the traditional church, along those lines, nothing more. Politically in a secular vein, although it says he rejected liberation theology early on, it seems pretty clear he is a champion of the poor in some ways. (That suggests to me a discomfort with the mixing of church and state in liberation theology, and not necessarily anti-left-wing theological thinking. But I'm just guessing on sketchy data.)
If you want to read up on ultra conservative Catholic groups, I would suggest to start by just googling "Opus Dei" and through doing that, you will get other names.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:34pm
Pick up a copy of the Bible published by the U.S. Catholic Bishops sometime; I still have a copy given to me by Grandma 50 years ago.
The Jesuits were the primary authors/translators. In the footnotes you get none of this crap about the Earth being 6,000 years old or any of the other fluff. The Jesuits recognized four different schools responsible for Genesis...
I can go on and on.
Yes, a Jesuit can be as right wing as right wing can be and a Jesuit might be a left winger by today's political standards.
But a good Jesuit does not make up facts and does not eschew historical analysis!
by Richard Day on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:35pm
Indeed. In fact, Georges Lemaître, widely regarded as the creator of the Big Bang theory, was Jesuit.
by Verified Atheist on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 6:12pm
Here's the quote from the CNN link.
May be Opus Dei. Guess I will just have to wait to find out.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:40pm
We are not going to see women as priests.
And for that reason and that reason alone, I am done with the Roman Catholic Church.
But there are 1.5 billion or 1.2 billion or whatever (according to the links I read) Roman Catholics. What is is and what is not is not.
But he took Francis as his moniker!
This is a big deal.
Oh, and he is born of Italian parents who migrated to Argentina in the 30's so his Italian could not be that bad. haahahaha
Francis had a focus (or so the legends say) upon the needs of the poor; on the lesser of us.
I would rather focus on the plus side here.
At least he was not brought up in the Hitler Youth!
by Richard Day on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:57pm
From what I have read so far, he sounds like a truly good, intelligent man who did not want the job before, a good sign.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 5:32pm
There I think they just mean he is doctrinally conservative, i.e., on doctrine he agrees with the hierarchy on the right, and not with the hierarchy in the middle or on the left. It doesn't mean he belongs to a really ultra conservative wingnut Catholic group, of which there are several.
Your question brings to mind the whole "groups" thing for me, I think the Church gets an undeserved rep for always having been a "top down" organization. In actuality, what their history is that they have always done "bottom up," too, with holy orders, and this is where the confusion sometimes comes in for folks who weren't raised Catholic. There's a history of co-option of bottom up peoples' movements with charismatic leaders (like those of St. Francis, St. Dominic, or St. Ignatius with the Jesuits,) they would watch these new groups form, and after a while either reach out to them, make them a holy order, so they were under their control, or label them heretics. Hence, they also tolerate organizations like Opus Dei. Right wing, left wing, middle, all okay as long as you obey the pope on doctrinal issues. They are open to different views of theology and practice that way, they would rather co-opt than have schisms.
Nowadays, the largest influence of the orders is on the teaching and training of priests and nuns, as they run the main seminaries, according to their individual interpretations of the church and their founder's mission and theology. They have different vows, different missions, and different practices, and are all allowed.
The modern church has expelled , and not embraced some conservative Catholic groups that wish to practice 1950's style Latin rite, so they do not always favor conservatism uber alles. Groups are not allowed to reject the whole of Vatican II nor are they allowed to reject the theory of Humanae Vitae.
P.S. To be clear, one can be a priest and not belong to an order, trained through diocesan seminary.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 5:08pm
I note that a lot of backgrounder articles coming out now are labelling him a moderate.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 5:29pm
Opus Dei was going to be my guess on a fairly well-known "conservative" sect.
by AmericanDreamer on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 5:17pm
Thid Guardian article says he is a champion of liberation theology.
http://warincontext.org/2013/03/13/pope-francis/
And from the Associated Press in the same link an encouraging quote:
by A Guy Called LULU on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 5:41pm
Associated Press article also says his biographer says not a "liberation theologist" or progressive; basically implies just classic Catholic teaching on helping the poor:
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:13pm
Maybe he was for it before he was against it, or maybe he...
Somewhere I skimmed past some pretty harsh allegations of his actions against LT. Haven't paid close attention and can't remember where.
I guess I am for liberation theology but when it was a big issue south of the border it just seemed to be pointing out people for the death squads. Now the leaders down yonder seem way less homicidal than in recent history so maybe it could become a productive force.
by LULU (not verified) on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:26pm
Well, a lot of liberal theologians ended up changing their minds about it because of the faults of mixing church with state matters. And the "just targeting people for death squad" thing would be one example. Another would be the examples they have of how you survive as a church under a totalitarian government that would like to get rid of the church, you don't do it by getting openly involved in a revolution. Many figured going back to trying to affect individual consciences who would then in turn vote or work "Catholic liberal" in politics might be the better way.
Along these lines, it is not controversial for priests to protest abortion, nor to teach their flock that it is wrong, but it is extremely controversial to step over the line to threatening your flock that they must vote a certain way against or for someone because of abortion, that is stepping over the church/state line. Seen as the same thing as saying "as a Nicaraguan Catholic, you must vote for and work with the Sandinistas." The part of liberation theology that advocated political activism is the part that is most problematic. I think it's helpful to remember that all in all, there are no good examples of the Catholic church and communism mixing too well, even though Christ taught against the value of earthy riches and had a very communal group (as did St. Francis, for that matter,) he also basically wasn't into getting too involved in government, either.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:54pm
I'm not claiming much of anything about LT. I don't really have any idea if LT priests were actively pushing it or coercing their congregations or just affirming the natural rights of the peasants who were getting stomped on. When I said I guess I like it, it is because they were on the same side of the political divides in C.A. as I was in sympathy with. I know there were quite a few martyrs and some of those were also heroic, IMO. I also know, or at least believe, that some if not most of the church hierarchy in C.A sold out to the local powers and it seemed to sit just fine with their bosses in Rome
by A Guy Called LULU on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 8:05pm
There is political activism and there is political activism.
Several hundred years ago, the Church had an Emperor on his knees begging not to be excommunicated. The more contemporary involvement at politics has shown the Church support some really awful right wing regimes. In light of that history, turning out priests who side with the Sandinista (per your example) may make sense on many levels but to justify the rejection because the priest were being "too political" is exquisitely hypocritical.
During the death throes of Liberation Theology, the message I heard over and over again is how could Pope John Paul support the part the church played in throwing off tyranny in Poland and piss so heartily on others who wanted to do the same elsewhere.
by moat on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 8:19pm
Moat, I just found evidence that Francis was not just a believer in political neutrality, but a strong enforcer of it (and also that we may also be in for some pretty passionate sermons):
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 1:40am
Props to Wikipedia, they had/have a lengthy page on him with lots of info,
(and have already changed the title of the entry from Jorge Bergoglio to Pope Francis )
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:07pm
Saint Francis rolls over in his grave on a routine basis, I think.
by Doctor Cleveland on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:08pm
NYT says he is the first non-European Pope is 1000 years!
He of course opposes gay marriage, gay adoption, birth control, marriage for priests and women as ordained ministers. Have to wait 2000 years for anything new there!
by NCD on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 4:39pm
There was a non-European Pope 1000 years ago? Where did he come from?
by Aaron Carine on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:24pm
Well, in the 700s you had a rash of Syrian popes: Sisinnius, Constantine, and Gregory III, and from 492-496 you had Gelasius I, from Berber North Africa. There were also other popes who had been born in Africa prior to this.
by Verified Atheist on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 8:25pm
Wikipedia has now reopened their entry to editing, so it is a good place to watch for updates as people find articles referencing him and bilinguals add things in English from Spanish sources.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:05pm
Of interest to both Emma & Lulu, I found that Wikipedia has deleted the following from their current entry on him:
I found that on google's cache, though one should be able to find the alteration on wikipedia's edit log too.
I remembered reading the part about him rejecting liberation theology when I was discussing with Emma, but I didn't see the Communione e Liberazione part until it was gone. And when I went to google where I had seen that statement about liberation theology, I figured it out. The deletion must have happened right around the time we were discussing.
In any case, someone has taken it out, probably because it's been questioned as inaccurate in both cases.
And what Emma heard probably came from there, a TV producer looking at Wikipedia. But you now have the name of a Catholic lay organization you said might like to research. But the new Pope is probably not related to it.
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:27pm
Thanks.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:32pm
Just read Wikipedia on Comunione e Liberazione. There are charismatic Catholics! Who knew.
Could explain somewhat how Pentecostalism was accepted so readily. The ground was already prepared.
by EmmaZahn on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 8:47pm
Interests me too. But did you find evidence it's big in Latin America? The wikipedia entry makes it sound like it's still mainly an Italian organization. Sounds more like something promoted by John Paul II to get the youngins he so liked interested in devotional prayer of which he was also fond.
But you following this thread of thought brought something else to my mind for me. That the Jesuits typecasting as stone cold rationalists is not really accurate and I learned that not in catechism but studying Bernini's sculpture of The Ecstasy of St. Teresa in my first graduate school class. Turns out that at the time he sculpted it, Bernini was highly influenced by Jesuit thought and The Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius of Loyola. (Ignatius was the founder of the Jesuits and the Exercises are like the Jesuit guidebook.) When I read the exercises myself, I was struck with how much they emphasize using and training one's senses and using sensual instincts to connect to God, just the opposite of what one would suspect.
It is a standard sexual joke in art history circles about what Teresa is really feeling in the sculpture. But more seriously we know, as the wikipedia entry on her says that
And what I am getting at is that all of this should remind of certain Pentecostal experiences.
(Further interesting, having just perused the wikipedia entry on the Ignatius/Jesuit Spiritual Exercises, that there is a Protestant version of them starting in the 1980's....)
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 12:19am
Not sure where I read it or which country it was in but I did read something about the Catholic church reinstating some more charismatic rituals to counter the appeal of Pentecostal evangelism. I will look for it tomorrow, er, later today beginning with Peter Berger's blog at The American Interest. He has had a few posts on Pentecostalism that were informative.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 2:28am
Found it! It was a post on Peter Berger's blog where he was commenting on an NYT story about Brazil being a laboratory for revitalizing Catholicism.
The Roman Catholic Church, Brazil and the Pluralistic Revolution
Here's a direct link to the NYT story:
In Brazil, Growing Threats to Catholicism’s Sway - NYTimes.com that says:
It is difficult to choose excerpts from either of these. I hope you have time to read both completely.
Walter Russell Mead (son of a high-church cleric) also has an essay at The American Interest, The Conclave’s Canny Choice with some interesting perspectives like this:
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 12:54pm
I'll read them both. But this related just popped up on a NYT menu so I'll add it to our communal reading list:
A Catholic Comeback for Latin America? March 14
It's a "Room for Debate" feature with 5 different expert essayists.
This is the essay that caught my eye as being most on topic of what we are discussing, but it appears she might be offering somewhat of an alternate analysis:
I want to throw in this thought before I read it: that Catholic missionaries used to be (centuries ago) the champions at co-opting indigenous spiritual themes and practices and incorporating them into local Catholicism. They are the main reason not only for the huge size of the church but also behind a lot of the cross-cultural stuff we have before there was international mass transportation.
(She is right to point out the Virgin Mary. For example, Our Lady of Guadalupe has a hidden layer of coded messages for the indigenous people of Mexico which goes a considerable way towards explaining her popularity.[31] Her blue-green mantle was the color reserved for the divine couple Ometecuhtli and Omecihuatl;[32] her belt is interpreted as a sign of pregnancy; and a cross-shaped image symbolizing the cosmos and called nahui-ollin is inscribed beneath the image's sash.[33] She was called "mother of maguey,"[34] the source of the sacred beverage pulque,[35] "the milk of the Virgin",[36] and the rays of light surrounding her doubled as maguey spines.[34])
The church has lost its skill in doing this, mho. Attempts at getting some "charisma" would be getting back on the old path.
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 3:59pm
Wow, after reading your links, I get the impression that a copy of the NYT article on Brazil was included in the official Conclave Handbook.
And on liberation theology et. al., I like this point that Mead has to make:
It is what I was trying to get at about political neutrality vs. liberation theology. I did read some about the debate about liberation theology in Catholic theological circles in the era after liberation theology developed. And there were former liberation theologians who backtracked on it, in the end seeing it as naive and counterproductive. It is one thing to have the Vatican pulling strings or getting involved in diplomatic machinations (including things like all sorts of funny business benefiting the Polish Solidarity movement prior to 1989,) and it's quite another thing to advocate that "boots on the ground" priests, nuns and bishops get actively involved in revolutions. The appearance of neutrality can be extremely valuable to affect change. The respect for the ancient principle of church as sanctuary is based upon it, for one thing....even though behind the scenes the neutrality was not 100%, or that in history there were many blatant instances of clearcut non-neutrality.
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 5:47pm
It does seem like the Catholic church is feeling under siege by Pentecostals - and not just in Latin America. Peter Berger has some older posts about Pentecostals in Africa and even China. He sees their growth worldwide more rejection of secularism and its modified versions that were adopted by many mainstream Christian denominations last century. I see a melding. Man(kind) is still searching for meaning — wherever they can find it.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 5:59pm
With the growth of both evangelical & Pentecostal Christianity and Islam, I see growing individual determinism (and even within the Roman Catholic Church, cafeteria-ism) a rejection of imposed universal liturgy and catechism, a rejection of hierarchy, and a preference for either:
personal choice of local spiritual leader and his/her rules, and if you change your mind about him/her, it's easy to "fire" him or her, where it's a employer/employee relationship and the worshippers are the employers,
or :
churches of one, where your reading of the holy text and what to do about it is as good as the guy leading the service, or as the one sitting next to you at the service.
(An example: what does the word jihad mean? If Islam had a pope defining the religion worldwide, the question could be settled.)
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 6:14pm
churches of one
The penultimate Protestants.
I remember thinking that after one of Pew's analysis of one of its polls noted an increasing number of people who believed in God but were not affiliated with any denomination. Not that they realized that is what they were, but still.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 6:24pm
I haven't read this whole thread in detail--but do want to mention that in Catholicism, "charismatic" doesn't mean what it does in regular life. And I suspect that despite its name, which sort of sounds like "Communism and Liberation," Comunione e Liberazione actually represents neither--that in practice its thinking falls more along the lines of "Compassionate Conservatism" or "Arbeit Macht Frei."
I think AA hit the nail on the head upthread in saying that the Jesuits are intellectual, which can mean free-thinking, but not necessarily so. This is the group that housed the wonderful Teilhard de Chardin but firmly supressed all but his least controversial work until after his death.
I probably wouldn't be so suspicious if it hadn't been for watching at least one Opus Dei enthusiast go way off the rails and have to be admitted to the psych ward many years ago....
by erica20 on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 1:09am
do want to mention that in Catholicism, "charismatic" doesn't mean what it does in regular life.
But it does mean pretty much the same for other Christian denominations and sects: the recognition of spiritual gifts.
Charism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 2:16am
True.
by erica20 on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 11:52am
That is certainly true for me.
When I was a young kid in the late fifties living in Tulsa Oklahoma my brother and I both had paper routes. This gave us an excuse many evenings and into the night to get out of the house and 'go collecting' our bills. On more than one occasion Wednesday night would find us, and maybe a couple friends, spending an hour or so sitting across the street from what we called a 'Holy Roller' church which was located on a neighborhood corner.
Being pre-air conditioner days for most, the front door of the church would be opened wide and we could hear the booming voice of the preacher's fire-and-brimstone rhetoric, [I imagine now that I could smell the sulfur], the response from the congregation, and the hymns which sounded great. On good nights when the spirit soared we could hear 'talking in tongues' amid people falling on the floor in extatic rapture. I never saw that sort of energy again until going to a Grand Funk Railroad concert where much of the audience had altered their conscience with some chemical help. [Purple Haze fueled the closest I ever was to a religious experience.]
I have read some of the various definitions of charism and charismatic religion, but that church congregation will always represent what I think it means in America and probably to most people everywhere, the joyful, open, lively celebration of actively feeling the living spirit within your own heart and soul. It was way more powerful to me, and looked to be way more fun, than the stand up-sit down- kneel now, sit again rote accompanied by ringing of little bells and the drone of et coom spiri too too oh, or whatever it was I was hearing at my compulsory attendance each Sunday.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 1:50pm
I wish I could find an online presentation of this fine Gregg Brown Song.
Speaking in Tongues
A wild high cry flew up out of our brother
He was moaning and shaking, shining like the sun
He fell down like a dead man, Some people helped him up
He was all right, He was just speaking in tongues
When someone was sick we gathered all around them
And lay our hands upon them, all of us, old and young
We prayed that God Almighty would heal them
Our prayer was in English, but we was all just speaking in tongues
When I really feel my way back to that church and them people
The little hairs stand up all over me
And I hope that this nation like that congregation
Will give it up and pray for our soul, which is in misery
And that one day we may lay our hands on one another
And seek the healing for ourselves, this earth and our young
And sing that old song of many colors, many rhythms
And listen with our hearts to the speaking in tongues.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 2:35pm
Holy rollers. Yes, that is how they were described around here, too. They were thought much too emotional. Religion was supposed to be serious and solemn. Of course, my community was so dour that The American Gothic couple looked happy by comparison. Some joy was allowed in songs but it was very subdued by comparison.
by EmmaZahn on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 6:29pm
Emma, found evidence you initially heard right on Comunione e Liberazione and the pope, in the following Guardian backgrounder piece by 5 reporters. (I highly recommend the whole thing, it is an excellent article overall, describes the Jesuit culture clearly but with nuance, and also his rather unusual relationship with the order, that he is not a "standard issue" Jesuit and that includes his involvment with Comunione and other things.)
by artappraiser on Sun, 03/17/2013 - 11:33pm
Francis may not be an ideologue for Liberation Theology but it means a lot to me that he wants to beatify those priests struck down in El Salvador during the San Patricio Massacre.
by moat on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 7:44pm
Some helpful hints about his politics here: Argentine press reacts to Pope Francis's election
by Uri Friedman, Passport @ ForeignPolicy.com, March 13, 2013 - 5:15 PM
and Passport also has this: Will Francis's role during Argentina's 'Dirty War' come back to haunt him? by Elias Groll, March 13, 2013 - 4:20 PM
by artappraiser on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 10:30pm
Isn't it interesting that one focus in what you link to is on his opposition to same-sex marriage and being contrary to "Gods plan"? No surprises, he's the pope, but I think it does show that lesbian and gay rights have come to the fore as a civil rights issue around much of the world--and even in Argentina where same-sex marriage has been legalized.
Consider that it wasn't too long ago, I guess the campaign of 2008 and through much of the last presidential term, when our sitting president would not come out and declare himself in favor of same-sex marriage. It really is a reflection of forward-thinking; remember when birth control was the critical issue in the church, even before abortion was--because abortion, like gay and lesbian rights, just wasn't debated.
So that's a glass half-full analysis. And I have to say having no skin in the game that I just think it's really cool that the Church reached out beyond Europe to choose its leader. What can I say? The Pope and I probably wouldn't agree on much, at least when it comes to social issues, but I wish him well anyway.
P.S. I hadn't looked at the second link you provide in your comment about the Church's role in the Argentine Dirty War. That's really disturbing.
by Bruce Levine on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 10:46pm
The AP article about his doings under the Videla regime says that he was only guilty of not speaking out--how much can we blame him for not being brave enough to risk his life? Would we?
by Aaron Carine on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 7:20pm
I think Alexander Stille @ The New Yorker may have pegged the situation:
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 8:43pm
also on the Falklands war, Argentina's politics, a massive 2012 train crash ("we want justice!"), Christmas, inequality, neoliberalism, etc.
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/14/2013 - 8:58pm
AA,
Just saw this article in this week's New Yorker on the role that Francis might or might not have played during Argentina's Dirty War:
by Bruce Levine on Fri, 03/15/2013 - 9:53am
Thanks. This short Al Jazeera news clip I just watched is interesting in that context,
because among others, the reporter talks to one of the "Mothers of the Plaza," apparently out in their weekly protest. Here's a transcript of that part, with what the mother said in quotes and bold:
Sounds either like she does not know of the worst accusations against him on this--which I would find hard to believe because she's been protesting for a long time and associates with others that do, too--or she does not believe them, and thinks he is basically a man "of the poor" who could not speak out about the complicity, but she hopes now he can because he is pope? In any case, no screaming from her about his complicity....
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/15/2013 - 2:23pm
Also, I suspect the following, which I just saw now on Google News (and note my bold):
may be his direct doing--may be his direct orders to address it immediately---
I suspect that because I noted this with great interest yesterday, again, my bold:
Looks like we may have the first papacy with a Public Relations "war room."
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/15/2013 - 3:10pm
The Latest News From Tiber Beat
Guess the squeeing at NRO was beginning to grate Kevin Drum.
by EmmaZahn on Fri, 03/15/2013 - 3:12pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 03/15/2013 - 5:15pm
Truth is he has been a politician willing to horse trade and make deals; verrry interesting article:
One of several interesting things there is that the majority of other bishops were more adamantly conservative/ideological than him and that he did try to convince them to make a more pragmatic choice. Now it will be interesting to see what he does with much greater power to, er, "convince" to take a pragmatic choice on issues.
An excerpt:
by artappraiser on Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:47am
The guy turns out to be very interesting. Thanks for linking to all the articles you have during the last few weeks.
by moat on Fri, 03/22/2013 - 7:09pm
Yes he definitely is! It's just that simple for me: interesting character gaining power. Glad you appreciate me sharing what I've found, it's nice to know someone like you is interested as well, makes me feel less weird.
by artappraiser on Sat, 03/23/2013 - 1:15am
makes me feel less weird.
Hey!
by EmmaZahn on Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:29am
Seems like an interesting character.
Wasn't a fan of John Paul II, and this last one just seemed non-existent.
Article & comments think maybe this one has more potential than I expected.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 03/23/2013 - 2:11am