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    WAKE UP, BLACK PEOPLE - THE HOLOCAUST WASN'T A MYTH (PROLOGUE)

    Beneath the Spin * Eric L. Wattree
     
    WAKE UP, BLACK PEOPLE - THE HOLOCAUST WASN'T A MYTH
    (PROLOGUE)
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    I'm going to be addressing the issue of Black injustice in a series of articles with specific examples of how this White supremacist establishment not only slaughter innocent Black people on the street, but also routinely victimize the average Black, minority, and working class person in their daily lives.
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    I referred to this system as the "White supremacist establishment," but that's a misnomer. I should refer to it as the White ELITIST establish, because the social manipulators who control this system don't care any more about poor and working class White people than they do Blacks and minorities. Was it only Black people who lost their jobs during the great recession, or lost their homes during the 2008 housing crisis? I don't think so. We're in a class war. They only give White people the IMPRESSION that they're special, and then throw a few perks their way in order to factionalize us and keep us at one another's throats, because social division is the establishment's most potent weapon. 
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    The problem in the Black community is the most severe, however, and it's partially our fault. We wait around until the brains of one our kids are blown out before we start jumping up and down. That's tantamount to coming across poison oak and simply cutting off the leaves instead of pulling it out by the roots. The Black community has got to become PROACTIVE in the fight against injustice. We've got to organize in our churches and community, educate ourselves, and join with others to form a working-class coalition 
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    The murder and abuse of Black people by bad cops only to have their atrocious actions declared justified by the courts is just the leaves of a political system that is corrupt and indifferent toward Black, minority, and working class people down to its roots. So if we truly believe that Black lives matter, the atrocities being committed by the establishment must be snatched out by its root. We can't just wait around until AFTER a Black life is taken to demonstrate and voice our outrage, we've got to take off our party hats, turn off BET, and begin to reform the infrastructure of our community BEFORE these atrocities take place. 
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    Jumping up and down once one of our kids has been murdered, or one of our women has been lynched for smoking a cigarette in her own car is meaningless - that doesn't help either the dead kid, or the woman, and it doesn't prevent the next kid or Black woman from being senselessly murdered. We've got to come together in the Black community and develop a political clout that's formidable enough where the last thing a cop hears before he goes out on the street is, "Whatever you do, don't upset the Black community." 
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    That's the way the Jews have it, and so can we. When was the last time you heard of a 12 year-old Jewish kid being murdered by the police? Never - and that's in spite of the fact that this bigoted power structure is just as anti-semitic toward Jews as it is racist toward Blacks (well, almost). But the Jews have developed the cultural resources to fight back. They learned a very powerful lesson during the holocaust, and if the Black community doesn't wake up from our "party hardy" attitude, and our delusion that "It can't happen here," we're just one conservative lunatic away from repeating the Jewish experience - and we have a clown bus full of conservative lunatics running in the 2016 election. What's currentl, and routinely, happening to Black people at the hands of bad cops on the street, and the tepid response of the nation's judicial system clearly demonstrates that the Black holocaust has already begun. So wake up, people!
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    Many insightful Black people recognize the truth in what I'm saying, but our collective response to it is lackadaisical, indifferent, and completely inept. Just going after one bad cop after he's killed a Black child, and snatching microphones from people in order to grandstand on stage does absolutely nothing to correct the problem we face.What good has that done? Black people are still being slaughtered on the street, and their personal lives are still being made miserable in their homes, on their jobs, and in the courts. All we're doing with such behavior is showing the powers that be what pushovers we are. We've got to go after the system that spawned and protects that bad cop AS A WHOLE - and in order to do that we're going to have organize our community, become serious and mature adults with an eye toward the future, and stop giving priority to Beyonce swinging her butt. But currently, we're allowing the social manipulators to keep us completely distracted while they're picking us off one at a time with complete impunity, and as they become more bold, they're going to eventually start coming after us as a group, and that day may be sooner than you think. 
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    BLACK, MINORITY, AND WORKING CLASS LIVES DO MATTER: 
    THE RITA EDMOND STORY
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    Rita Edmond has lived at the same location for 24 years. She's the only Black tenant in the complex, but in spite of that fact, the first 21 years of her tenancy was uneventful. Then the former manager of the complex died and management was taken over by Ritz properties, Inc. That's when everything began to rapidly change. First . . . (MORE TO COME). 

     
    Eric L. Wattree 
    Http://wattree.blogspot.com 
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    Religious bigotry: It's not that I hate everyone who doesn't look, think, and act like me - it's just that God does.

    Comments

    The use of a photo with Glenn Beck in a uniform reminds me of the way Beck promoted Jonah Goldberg's book: Liberal Fascism

    The book uses a simple formula to allow progressive initiatives to be compared side by side with those of totalitarian states. The cover has a smiley face with a Hitler mustache. Despite the references made to right wing regimes and ideologies, the book does not advance the understanding of the anti-semitism that lead to the Holocaust. The iconic use of the Nazi regime doesn't even explain the history of that regime. It doesn't become more useful when applied to the history of other people.


    Moat,

    The photo speaks volumes to me, and many others. We use metaphors and symbols to represent concepts all the time.  Why should Hitler and the Nazis be off limits?  I think Godwin's Law that if you use Hitler as a metaphor you've automatically destroyed your credibility is bullshit.  Godwin was just another sucker sitting at the keyboard in his draws (sic) making up adages, and people are so gullible they embraced it as wisdom. What if the comparison to Hitler is valid?  Hitler wasn't unique.  There's been monsters throughout history, and there'll be more monsters in the future.  There may be one running in the 2016 election, and that's my point.  


    I wasn't objecting to your depiction of Beck as a Fascist. I was observing the fact that Beck uses exactly the same technique in his rhetoric. You guys are working out at the same gym.

    I wasn't objecting to your references to Nazis as an example of Godwin's Law. Anyway, It is not a "law" like a speed limit or a requirement to pay taxes. It is mostly an observation that when someone brings up Hitler in a discussion about anything else, for instance the effects of pet ownership upon athletic performance, you have stopped talking about the original subject. But your topic specifically compares the Holocaust with the impending future of Black people. Bringing up Hitler won't change the subject.

    What I do object to is anybody referring to the Holocaust as something that is in anyway self explanatory. It is not a mythical device whereby one can speak of Grendel.


    Moat,

    Holocaust is just a word - "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale." There's nothing special or sacred about it, nobody owns the term, and there are no special rules about how it should be used. But currently it is commonly used to describe the unconscionable slaughter of Jews during WWII. That's the way I used it, and I'm sure that most people understood what I was referring to.


    Once again, you respond as if I am trying to establish a rule. Feel free to use the term as casually as you like. I was merely explaining why I find the practice offensive and of limited value in discussion.
     


    Moat,

    We use all words casually as long as we make our point. What makes this word different?  


    Moat,

    I'm sorry if I sound overly combative, but I'm kind of touchy on this subject.  I don't know what your political views are on this subject, but I feel that Zionists (which is just a euphemism for racist from my point of view), have tried to register the word "holocaust" for political reasons. While it was horrible when the world sat back and just watched the slaughter of innocent Jews, Zionists have politicized the term to the point that just the mention of it is designed to justify their philosophy - the justification for taking land that doesn't belong to them from others, and committing the exact same kind of atrocities against the Palestinian people that was committed against them in the process.

    So people like Netanyahu are making a serious mistake with this tactic, because it's beginning to open the eyes of many people - including many Jews. I could see it if the U.N. had decided to tear off a piece of Germany and make it a Jewish homeland, but what's currently going on is pure racism. The Palestinian people had absolutely nothing to do with the atrocities committed against the Jews during WWII. So Zionism is simply Manifest Destiny 2.  And what makes it worse is, the blatant injustice of it has thrown the entire Middle East, and the world, into a state of turmoil.  The U.N. needs to step in and correct this situation before Israel's Zionist fanatics start WWIII.

    Wake up, Israel!   Natanyahu would have fit right into the Nazi hierarchy. The fact that he's a Jew is just an accident of birth.  If he'd been born a non-Jew in Germany 30 years before WWII. . . .  A fanatic is a fanatic, regardless of their race, creed, or color.


    You are looking at the object through the wrong end of the telescope. The attempt to eradicate an entire population is a terrible enough thing that deserves to be taken seriously for that reason alone. That that the attempt consumed the efforts and suffering of several generations of mankind throughout the world makes the event worthy of careful attention. That actuality is the father and mother of our present time. The fact that it happened is more important than all the things anyone says about it. That includes my remarks, your remarks, all the stuff that has ever been said by anybody about it. It is not an idea.

    We should be afraid to talk about it and only start after mustering some courage to consider terrible things. The centuries long experience of slavery and human bondage is another example of something we won't get to finish talking about anytime soon. It, too, is not an idea.

    Words we use casually do not do much work. All good work requires being careful with words.  You have been married, had kids, and kept a series of difficult jobs . You can't be asking me how words have meanings beyond the values one might assign to them at any given moment in time.


    Perfect.


    No, Moat,
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    I'm looking at it through objective eyes.  Words are used to relate thoughts, concepts, and ideas. If we had to do a seminar on every noun or metaphor that we used we would never be able to relate the larger point that we're trying to make - that's the purpose of metaphors, and that's why we have encyclopedias.  If a person wants to know more about the "Jewish  holocaust," they can look it up. But there's been many holocausts that have taken place throughout human history (I won't even bother to list them) - including the holocausts that's currently going on in Palestine, throughout the Middle East, and in Africa. So I'm not about to buy into the Zionist position that every time I mention the word "holocaust," I have to do a commercial justifying the Zionist atrocities currently going on in Palestine. If that's your intent, it's completely wasted on me.


    I don't think there is anything more I can add that would make it clear to you that I am not saying any of the things you keep saying I am saying. Nothing I have said even remotely resembles the intent you have projected upon me. I am not shy. If I wanted to say that stuff, I would have said it.  But go ahead. If it gives you pleasure, pin the star on me.

    It is supremely ironic, however, that the holocaust you picked to scare the crap out of black people with is the Jewish one that you have gone to such efforts to diminish as a topic worthy of more than a quick glance at Wikipedia to understand. If the particulars of that event have absolutely no bearing on the causes you claim are leading to the destruction of "your" people, the reference isn't of any value to your own argument.

     


    Moat,

    I picked the Jewish holocaust because it's been so widely promoted that most people know about it - and we have pictures of it.  But actually, the Native American holocaust was much more severe, but instead of being played up, it's been played down. 


    Widely promoted? You got that right. There were 10 million copies of Mein Kampf in Germany by the end of the war. That team got some awesome bang for buck from their advertising dollar. A lot of that success undoubtedly came from developing a complete business model early in the planning stage and sticking to the program once underway.


    Pardon the last comment. I forgot that you are not into dwelling on what happens before the killing starts. You meant the attention given to events after they happen. That sort of thing is boring for me because it doesn't explain anything. But if you are into that sort of thing, there are support groups. You could hang with this guy who says Six Million is chump change in genocide land.

     


    That should put the kibosh on that "play it up" pity party you militate against.

     


    Well Moat,
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    Explain this!  And tell me in what way the Zionists are any more compassionate or moral than the Nazis - and these are people who had absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust and are only armed with rocks!!! So excuse me if my heart finds it hard to bleed like it once did over the "holocaust," but other images have taken its place:
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    You are the one who insisted upon measuring the depth of different people's suffering on some kind of scale. And now you want me to own some part of that comparison because I denounced the practice. 


    Would this pass the Moat complaints? From Driftglass, when the outside voice becomes the inside voice, Beck/Jared Lee Loughner:

    Great blog Watree.


    Since you asked, I wasn't complaining about the process in my comments, just taking attendance at the Photo Shop seminar.  

    The clip you provide is fun. In terms of political agitprop, it would be more sexy if the "inner" person was Reagan or Hillary.

    Maybe next time.


    Once again, we disagree. Blacks are NOT sitting waiting to mourn the next child killed by police. Blacks are challenging prosecutors, police departments, and city governments. Police departments have publicly embarrassed themselves by openly stating that they object to be scrutinized by the public because they may be caught abusing a citizen. NYPD turned its back on the Mayor. Baltimore police have openly said that they will not do their jobs because of public recording of police activity. All police unions demand that the bad apples on police departments remain on the force. Many in the general public have lost respect for police.

    Police rant about their fear of an angry public egged on by Black Lives Matter. The truth is that homicides of police have decreased in the era of Obama. What has increased is prosecutions of police officers (Convictions are another issue). The fact that police behavior has come to public attention is because of years of work by activists in the black community and the availability of mobile phones with video. Blacks have been active.

    The chance that a random person in the black community feels empowered to record police misconduct has grown exponentially. The public knows the names of activist lawyers who will provide aid when police abuse occurs. The community is not sitting on the sidelines.



    RM
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    If you'll notice, I entitled this a prologue. Wait until you see the articles that follow. We need to address this issue by weeding out judges at the beginning of their careers, BEFORE they move up the chain. We must make EVERY judge in the system know that he can't even rule on a traffic ticket without scrutiny, and ANY ruling he makes may turn out to be a Rosa Parks moment. Then, bad cops won't feel like they're free to kill Black people with impunity.  What you're dealing with is our response AFTER someone is killed. I'm dealing with preventing it from happening in the first place. I don't see how you can't understand that simple concept.  We must ALWAYS  give efficient thought priority over knee-jerk reactions. You're taking the Black Panther approach, but where are they today, and why are we still fighting the same battle 50 years later?

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    I know where you're coming from, but I've not only been there and done that, but I have a full understanding of what would be most effective. I've not only been a gangster and an activist (while I was never officially a member, I was sitting IN the Black Panther office when it was attacked by the LAPD), but my son is currently a special agent for the United States Department of Justice.  So I see this issue from both sides, and it's clear to me that the way we're approaching this issue is ineffective.  What's happening here is, due to the ignorance of the current generation, they are repeating tactics that have failed miserably in the past.
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    UCLA did a video on my younger brother who was a Black activist, and when I was in the Marine Corps I tried to tell him the very same thing I'm telling you. In fact, in the video he said that he wanted to slap me for it - but that was before he was almost killed. Efficient thought and planning is always superior to reckless testosterone running amok. Thus, what I see is a clueless generation trying to reinvent a wheel that's already gone flat. So what this discussion reminds me of is discussions I used to have with my son and daughter when they were teenagers. At that time they thought they knew it all, but I used to tell them, "Every thought you think, I've already considered, and discarded, because I've been here, and done this.

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    We can't out-scream the establishment, because they control the media, and we can't out-fight the establishment, because they control the military and the arms industry.  So our most effective tactic is to out-think them, not try to sell wolf tickets. We're only 13.2% of the population, so the establishment is going to turn our actions against us in the media, portray us a threat to society, and use it to justify their actions - and the American people are going to buy it. We've already experienced this before. Tell me ONE knee-jerk Black activist of the 60's who's still around, and why are we STILL fighting the same battle that they were fighting, 50 years later? 


    (I'm doing this from my laptop because by post crashed on my iPad)

    Eric, what I am pointing out is that people are already doing things that you want. Police are being prosecuted. Prosecutors are being challenged. Laws on whether special prosecutors are needed to review police homicides are under consideration.

    There is high police department demand for anti-bias training. These programs may help identify problem police officers. The big problem is that because the programs are new, it will take time to identify whether they are effective.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-bias-training-programs_561ecc...

    All i am doing is pointing out that there is ongoing activity addressing reform in the justice system at all levels. As the link above notes, public trust in police departments is at an all time low. Police departments are responding to public pressure. The pressure is coming from multiple ethnic groups. Is there no activity occurring where you live?

    Presidential candidates on the Democratic side are discussing injustice in law enforcement and the legal system.


     


    RM,

    You're not getting my point.  I didn't say that NOTHING was being done; I'm saying not enough is being done. If we take my approach, and reform the infrastructure and political mores of the Black community, we'd become so politically formidable that all of the things you mentioned above wouldn't even be necessary.  The Jewish community doesn't have to ask the police to "Please be nice,"  because they understand that the ONLY way to obtain justice is to be strong enough to demand it, and politically formidable enough to hold on to it.  

    Everything you've pointed out above has been done before, but the results only lasts until the furor dies down. Thereafter, it goes right back to business as usual:  
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    Danny Cardwell on Facebook:

    "I've read that the cruelest slave owners treated their slaves like an extension of the family. This might seem odd, but their inclusive behavior worked to deny the slave of their natural instincts to rebel. A man watching his daughters being raped and his sons being beaten knows he has to risk his life to stop the madness, but a docile man who feels accepted rarely fights for freedom. Too many of us [or] comfortable. Because we haven't come face to face with the catastrophic realities associated with our everyday predicament, we accept a slow death. This applies to all of us. Women who suffer psychological abuse, but no physical abuse tend to stay longer. Employees who are treated well, but aren't fairly compensated tend not to fight for themselves. All of us have areas where we can fight the urge to be comfortable and step into our season. Instead of finding reasons to fail, why not embrace right now and make your destiny a realistic possibility?"
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    Eric L. Wattree:
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     Danny,
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    Your post is EXACTLY the message I intend to send in a series of articles I'm going to do. Black lives also matter on the job, in the way your landlord treats you, and in traffic court. We're only addressing the sensational atrocities. We must root out the subtle and hidden assaults on our lives that cause us to die of high blood pressure as well. I'm currently trying to get that point across to RM on Dagblog. In fact, I'm going to copy your post and this response and paste it in that thread.


    I will wait for you to detail your plan. My review of history suggests that change occurs because of a critical mass of people that serve as a spark. Once a societal shift occurs, the masses become quiescent. I don't see many sustained, passionate movements.I look forward to you to explain your plan for sustained involvement. I think Jewish people might disagree about how much power they wield.

     


    RM,
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    You said,

     "I think Jewish people might disagree about how much power they wield."

    Oh?  They wield enough power to get 47 Republican senators to sign a treason letter to try to override the foreign policy of the President of the United States . . . 

     


    The wingnuts in Congress have a baseline stance that opposes what Obama proposes. The GOP has held numerous votes to overturn Obamacare. They have supported court cases to rip Obamacare apart. They have held repeat hearings to find a scandal in Benghazi. They ousted Boehner. The fact that Boehner invited Netanyahu to speak before Congress in an attempt to embarrass the President, yet find Boehner too much of a squish to be Speaker of the House speaks volumes. The GOP has gone crazy, so yes they will vote against the rational plan laid out by President Obama.

    The majority of Jews in the United States supported the Iran deal and the majority of American Jews do not support Netanyahu. The GOP didn't vote based on the desires of American Jews, they voted based on a racist hatred of President Barack Obama.


    BTW, the wingnuts threw Eric Cantor, the highest ranking Jewish American in the GOP, out of Congress because Cantor was a squish aka RINO. So much for Jewish power.


    RM,

    I suggest you research this before you speak on it:
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    Tom Cotton got over $2.1 million in campaign ad support from pro-Israel donors.

    The NY Times is running a story on how contributions from a small group of single-issue mega-wealthy donors is impacting the Republican party's stance on Israel.

    GOP's Israel Support Deepens as Political Contributions Shift
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    The Emergency Committee for Israel, led by William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, spent $960,000 to support Mr. Cotton. In that same race, a firm run by Paul Singer, a hedge fund billionaire from New York and a leading donor to pro-Israel causes, contributed $250,000 to Arkansas Horizon, another independent expenditure group supporting Mr. Cotton. Seth Klarman, a Boston-based pro-Israel billionaire, contributed $100,000 through his investment firm.

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    The political action committee run by John Bolton, the United Nations ambassador under President George W. Bush and an outspoken supporter of Israel, spent at least $825,000 to support Mr. Cotton. That PAC is in part financed by other major pro-Israel donors, including Irving and Cherna Moskowitz of Miami, who contributed 99 percent of their $1.1 million in 2012 races to Republican candidates and causes.
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    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/05/1375714/-NY-Times-Tom-Cotton-go...
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    Who Owns Senator Tom Cotton? The Pro-Israel Lobby Has Made A $1Million Down Payment
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    "Freshman Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton, the chief architect of the highly controversial letter sent by 47 Senators to the government of Iran last week, may give lip service to the notion that he made such a move because he is concerned about the direction of the Obama Administration’s foreign policy decisions, but some large campaign contributions may also explain his motives.

    "Looking closely at Cotton’s filings with the Federal Elections Commission (FEC) during his 2014 race against incumbent Democratic Senator Mark Pryor, you cannot help but notice that a group called the Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI) gave a whopping $1 million to Cotton’s campaign as the race entered its final phase. ECI, it should be noted, was founded by neocon pundit Bill Kristol. Kristol and his family also contributed thousands of dollars individually to Cotton’s campaign.

    "Coincidence? Does a politician ever make a move without a motive, usually a motive driven by self-preservation and advancement? Does anyone think Cotton decided to write the semi-treasonous letter to Iran just because he’s trying to hone his credentials in the Senate? Or, more likely, did he do so at the behest of his far right benefactors?

    "In addition to the large contributions from ECI, Cotton’s political action committee, Arkansas Horizon, has also taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from pro-Israel groups headed by people such as Paul Singer and Seth Klarman, both of who have been trying to scuttle the Administration’s dealings with Iran over its budding nuclear program. Cotton also received money from billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson.

    "So it would certainly appear that Tom Cotton is deeply in the debt of people and groups who can shovel tons of cash into his campaigns and his personal PAC. And by far the largest contributors all have their own agendas when it comes to American foreign policy. Is Tom Cotton merely their puppet?"
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    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/03/16/who-owns-senator-tom-cotton-the...

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    And think about this  - DOES ISRAEL HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS (of course they do), THEN WHY ISN'T IT AN ISSUE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS? No one even WHISPERS the fact that Israel is making demands on Iran that they themselves have ALREADY violated. It's gross international hypocrisy. It has created the turmoil that's currently taking place all through the Middle East, and it threatens to bring the world to an end.  Because if the Arabs come together to defeat Israel, the Zionist fanatics in Israel will start WWIII before they let it happen - and the United States is supporting that end in the U.N. with our votes, and also our tax payer support of billions of dollars to Israel in our military support. 
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    And all of this is based on pure racism. The Palestinian people had absolutely nothing to do with the holocaust in Germany. So if it was decided that the Jews should be given a Jewish homeland in compensation for the atrocities that was committed against them during WWII, common sense says that the U. N. should have given them a piece of Germany.  But Germany is a White nation, so it was easier to say that "GOD" promised them Palestine, and thereby, take away the land of people of color. It's a travesty, that the entire world may pay for dearly. 


    Eric, I gave you the numbers on American Jewish support for the Iran deal and Netanyahu. I did my research. Politicians getting paid off by special interest groups is nothing new. There is a big difference between a special interest group composed of Jews making political donations and "the Jews" peddling influence. Ben Carson is soaring in the GOP polls, yet Carson does not represent "the Blacks". Most American Jews do not support the actions he GOP took on foreign policy in the Middle East. Most Jewish voters do not vote for Republicans. A majority of prospective Republican voters currently support Ben Carson. That support does not mean that Republicans support Black people. Support for Carson has nothing to do with the political desires of blacks. Special interest groups have nothing to do with the wishes of American Jews. 

    The truth of the matter is that Republican Evangelical Christians expect Jews and Catholics to be consumed by flame during the rapture. They may support Israeli military aggression because it conforms with Evangelical interpretation of the Bible. Evangelicals may support Catholics on abortion but they view Catholics as a cult awaiting judgment.

    You have not provided data to support "the Jews" wielding influence because most Jews did not agree with what some Jews wanted regarding the Iran deal.


    RM,
     

    You have to make a distinction between Jews and Zionist. The social clout of the Zionist Jews alone demonstrate the clout that the Jewish people have in this society, and that was my point.  Let's not lose focus of the original issue. Do you think Black people could wield that kind of clout?  I don't think so, and there's a reason for that - and it has nothing to do with our potential as a people. It all has to do with our will, dedication, and focus. When it comes to politics, the Jews are not being distracted by reality T.V. and Beyonce's ass - and they're not calling Jewish women bitches and hoes. They understand what's important to their survival.
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    As long as a Black man can get rich by calling the very womb of our culture a hoe, we're not on our job - period.


    Eric

    I just told you that the majority of American Jews do not have the power to enforce their desires in DC. American Jews do not agree with the GOP on the Iran deal and do not side with Netanyahu. The bulk of American Jews are as helpless as the African-Americans in having their wishes taken up in Congress. Yet you characterize Blacks as pathological. Asians don't have clout in DC are they dysfunctional. The white middle class is being destroyed. Is the white middle class as pathology-laden as the African-Americans?

    You note that Zionists with money are buying influence. The pathology is that politicians can be bought. Blacks are in the same situation as the white middle class, Jews, Asians, Latinos, and a host of others. Black pathology is not the issue.


    A classic 2014 study pointed out the America has become a plutocracy. In order to treat an illness you have to make the correct diagnosis. The failure of blacks, whites in the middle class, poor people, women, Jews, and Latinos to face struggles and have their issues ignored is a result of the plutocracy. Telling blacks to pull up there pants and stop listening to hip-hop doesn't nothing to address the dysfunction effecting multiple groups.

    Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, Li'l Wayne, the Weekend, etc. are not the problem. The Kochs, Adelson, etc. are the problem.


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    I see now that we're not dealing with reality.  I worked in a Jewish community for 28 years, and you don't even SEE the police in their community unless they call 'em. Do you think the following would have happened to a Jewish student in a predominantly Jewish school?  If you think it would, you're being delusional:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/28/3716923/spring-valley-high-o...

    ‘Officer Slam’ To Be Fired After Video Shows Him Flipping And Dragging Teenage Girl

    BY AVIVA SHEN OCT 28, 2015 11:02AM

    CREDIT: AP PHOTO/ALEX SANZ

    Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott speaks during a press conference in Columbia, S.C., Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2015.
     


    I can't tell what you changed


    Eric I am not sure why I am getting into this now?

    O'Reilly just plays these videos showing Blacks are important toooooo and there are these marchers screaming that all the pigs must be killed.

    Of course there are these militant whites who point guns at the Feds. 

    I get so  damned mad.

    Oh those white  militants represent some fringe element'...

    So all Black Matters folks are NAZIs

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/bill-oreilly-likens-black-lives-matter-to-nazi-party/

    If you would please respond to this.

    WE NEED A RESPONSE TO O'REILLY.

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    I can tell you why you're getting involved in this, Richard - because you're a concerned American. But in response to your question, just wait for my next installment.  I don't just complain; I suggest solutions. That's what I do. I just sent a message to my family trying to inspire them to do the exact same thing:
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    A MESSAGE TO THE WATTREE FAMILY
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    Everybody with the last name Wattree in America, and probably the world, is related. We immigrated from France to the United States as FREE Black people around 1870. No, we didn't come here in chains, but we did marry former slaves, so we can also take PRIDE in having the strength and resilience of former slaves as part of our legacy. 
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    Richard Wattree established the "Wattree School" to educate Black people, and he's responsible for educating the heads of some of the most prominent Black families in Louisiana. That legacy (along with our arrogance) has been handed down - that's why so many of us are associated with education, from kindergarten to the university level. So please make sure that you educate your children to these facts and the importance of hyphenating their name. It could greatly impact their self-image, the decisions they make in their lives, and it will serve as a constant reminder of their responsibility, and the dedication that they should ALWAYS have to their people.
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    SUSAN T. HERRING, Editor, The Guardian-Journal
    Jubilee To Showcase The Art Of Claiborne Parish
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    "African American artist, Alma Lennear of Minden, will be exhibiting her works as well as selling her paintings Saturday at the Claiborne Jubilee. She comes from a long line of educators who have lived in and around Claiborne Parish since the days her great-grandfather, Richard Wattree, founded the Wattree School using the Bible as the reading book. A self-taught artist, Ms. Lennear's work features both portraits of historic figures as well as Biblical scenes. Come to the Jubilee and visit with a most interesting woman!"
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    Google Images:
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    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=958627360851942&set=a.136305753084111.28278.100001140610873&type=3&theater
     
    Eric L. Wattree's photo.
     

     

    this is wondrous.

    Thank you.

    WE ARE FROM FRANCE?

    This is just amazing to me and yet France was a colonial empire. Why should I be surprised?

    And as I have written before, 33% or more of 'our' navy in the olden days were of African ancestry.

    Thank you for responding to me, as always.

    I await further posts as always.

     


    Thank you, Richard,

    I'm sorry to brag, but when I found out about this in my mid 30's (from a complete stranger who recognized my name), it completely changed my outlook on life, and it helped to explain many of my personality traits that I had previously seen as shortcomings. But now this information guides my life.


    Response to Eric from above

    The officer in question has been fired. The Feds are investigating the case. That is power. The evening of the incident, the members of the school board said that the officer's action was not justified. You are the one not dealing with reality. Times have changed. In the past, the focus would have been that the child got what she deserved. The focus in this case was to remove the offending officer. When a fleeing man was shot in the back in North Charleston, the officer was arrested. His trial is already scheduled. The reason police are complying now is because they realize that they can't abuse black citizens without facing consequences. They create the "Ferguson effect" to explain why crime has gone up (in selected cities, it continues to go down in other cities). The bottom line of the argument about the so-called effect is that police want to be free to abuse citizens to do their job. In addition, the police do not want to be held to account when someone dies in their custody, as is the case in Baltimore.

    Current discussions include the bias shown by police in stopping blacks more frequently for minor traffic violations. The push is to decrease interactions with police. The bottom line is that people are working to keep police out of black lives over minor stuff, just as happens in your "Jewish" neighborhoods. The problem is being addressed.

    You seem to be operating under the delusion that the police do not abuse whites. Black Lives Matter were the ones alerting people to police killing of Zachary Hammond, a white teen. The officer faces no charges. Police did not know if Hammond was Jewish or Amish.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zachary-hammond-police-killing_55c0e...

    As an aside, if part of your plan is to work together with other ethnic groups to address injustice, you might consider not using terms that might be considered upsetting to other ethnic groups. I know when I hear a Conservative say that Obamacare is like slavery, I consider the person unworthy of serious discussion. Slavery was a brutal, inhumane system that still impacts us today. Slavery is not just another term to me. The Holocaust was a brutal, inhumane system. Family members were killed, just as they were in slavery in the United States. If part of your plan includes working with other groups, you might take their sensitivities into account.

    People are working to have the police fear us as black people, you just haven't noticed. People of all ethnic groups are appalled by the videos of police killing unarmed citizens. Trust in the police is down. Prosecutors are not trusted. The reason that the DOJ and FBI are called into homicides by police is because local law enforcement and prosecution is no longer considered trustworthy.

    I await further details regarding your plan. 

     

     


    Here is how the prosecutor justified filing no charges against the officer who killed white teen Zachary Hammond. Police will kill white teens. Are white people as helpless and pathological as blacks?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-prosecutions-zachary-hammond_...


    RM, You said,
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    "If part of your plan includes working with other groups, you might take their sensitivities into account."
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    I always give truth priority over ideology, and I interpreted Moat's comment as promoting the Zionist ideology that every time we mention the word holocaust we should turn toward Jerusalem and bow our heads. Zionists have politicized the term "holocaust" to the point that the world is turning a blind eye to any atrocity that Israel commits, and Israel's behavior is a threat to the world.  It's like they get a pass - "Oh, they were treated so badly by the Nazis, what the hell, let kill-up a few people over there; they're only Arabs."  As a result, Israel is committing the very same kind of atrocities against the Palestinian people as Hitler committed against the Jews. They've turned all of Palestine into a one huge concentration camp. So I have no intention of doing a commercial for Zionism every time I mention the word "holocaust."   
    .
    If I understood Moat correctly, when he referred to the fact that I used the word holocaust "casually" without delving into the deeper meaning of what the term represents, he was suggesting that whenever we use the word holocaust we should stop and do a seminar on Jewish suffering. I'm not buying into that philosophy.  Why should I?  Whenever I mention slavery I don't do a seminar on Black suffering.  I just say, "slavery," and move on.
    .

    While the holocaust was undoubtedly a horrible event, what makes Jewish suffering any more significant than the suffering of any other people . . . like the Palestinians, for example?  We can no longer help the victims of the Jewish holocaust, but we can still help the Palestinians. But is Netanyahu's heart bleeding for them?  Not a bit.  So the bottom line is, why should we have more reverence and concerned for the dead than we do the living? 
     


    The thing is words create images. Images link to memories. Slavery produces painful images. The Trail of Tears creates painful memories. The Holocaust creates painful images. When those words are used, expect the initial  discussion to center on those words rather than the rest of the sentence or paragraph. The reason to avoid those trigger words is that is is easy to find other descriptors to satisfy the point you want to make. In addition, it is not a matter of placing the dead over the living, it is about respectful for the sensitivities of the living. If you expect certain groups to become allies you have to know something about what they find objectionable. Otherwise, it comes across that you have a rigid position that you consider infallible. It just seems to me that it is easy to get a point across without having the discussion diverted over a hurtful term. 


    RM,
    .
    I think both you, and Moat, are trying to CREATE  a controversy.  The title of my piece is, "Wake Up, Black People - The Holocaust Was Not A Myth."  What is so offensive about that!!!? If that's offensive, we can't say ANYTHING that won't be offensive to somebody.  The reason we can't come together and get anything done is not because we're being insensitive, on the contrary - the problem is, we need to grow up and leave our sensitives and nitpicking at the door.  We've got to understand that it's not what a person says, it the motives behind what a person says. Until we embrace that simple concept, neither people, or nations, will ever be able to come together.
    .
    I have a White neighbor name Cris. He's a rock musician, and he has a very nice band.  Exactly one day after he asked me to write the liner notes for his CD, he hung a huge "Don't Tread On Me" flag in front of his house - and I mean HUGE!  Now, considering what the Tea Party tends to represent, I could have taken great offense at that, but instead, I called him over and pointed out that many people consider that flag racist.  He said, "Eric, you know I ain't no damn racist,"  and I did, and I told him that I did. But I told him that I just wanted to let him know. He said, "Okay," and That was that. I guess thereafter he went on the internet and researched it, because on trash day I saw the flag sticking up out of his trash can.  
    .
    If either me, or Cris, had been overly sensitive that situation could have escalated into a horrible scene. But it didn't, because both of us were adults, and we trusted one another's motives. Working together requires truth and honesty, and truth and honesty is next to impossible when you're forced to walk on eggshells.   


    Eric

    People are not going to leave their sensitivities at the door. People should not have to leave their sensitivities at the door. In the story you tell above, you related people's sensitivities regarding the flag to Cris. You expressed yourself. Moat is expressing himself. He is pointing out that people find random references to the Holocaust offensive. How can you tell Cris about objections to the flag and dismiss moat's point about Holocaust references? 

    If you have some grand plan that will magically get people who haven't been activists to become activists, it will have to include taking sensitivities into account. No one is going to set aside their sensitivity for someone else. You did not suppress your opinion about the flag. Or if the flag was not personally offensive to you, you had the good sense to warn Cris about the message the flag would send to others. Moat is giving you the same message that you gave Cris. Substitute the casual use of the Holocaust with the flag. People are offended by both. Realizing that and not dismissing that reality can save a great deal of grief.

     


    RM,
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    I'm done with this, because you're continuously missing the point. Think what you like, but if people don't wake up, and grow up, we're doomed.


    You dismiss your interlocutors negative responses to your work as squeamish overreactions that overlook the important things you are saying.  That response is a form of ad hominem rhetoric because it devalues the qualification of the others to have a opinion on the matter and hints at the possibility of bad faith. That element puts a real chill on your attempt at Kumbaya.

    The motive behind my original comment was simply to point out the limited value of bringing up something as enormous as the Shoah when the reference is not any part of what you were actually trying to say. In the course of our discussion, it turned out that you had all kinds of things to say about the matter that has nothing to do with your original post. I responded to those responses.

    You hijacked your own thread.


    No Moat,

    I simply took the time to explain why I didn't buy into your position - because I considered it Zionist propaganda, and while I have a lot of admiration for many Jews (a Jew taught me to write, and a Jew gave me my first job out of college), but I look upon Zionists in the same way I do the Klan. I think Netanyahu should be charged with war crimes. 
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    PORTRAIT OF A BIGOT

    WEBB:

    "The only difference between White people and any other group is that they have the power"  Nonsense... Jews run the media the cops and the courts.

    Monday 12:25pm
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    WATTREE:

    So, many have clout. That's a good thing. That doesn't make them collectively bad. It simply means that many of them are industrious. That's exactly what I'm trying to get more Black people to be. You shouldn't hate people because they're successful. What kind of mentality is that!!!? Should I hate ALL White people because some are successful?  That's flawed thinking - and I'm into efficient thought in a big way.
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    WEBB:

    They put folks like you in concentration camps...used to be  they had you picking cotton.
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    WATTREE:

    Man, I could say that about your people.  There are Black people who are criminals. Does that make me one? Any person with the least bit of common sense knows to assesses EVERY individual on their own merit, so you're wasting your time trying to feed me this dumb shit.
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    WEBB:

    You could say it about "my people" but you would be wrong.... It is not me that has the big hang-up about melanin content, YOU DO.  A Jew is an adherant of Judaism, a sick fucking ideology...  do you cut members of NAMBLA or the 'al qaeda' the same kind of slack?
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    WATTREE:

    You could say the very same thing about Christianity, but should I broad-brush everybody in a religion that believes in talking snakes, and believes that God gave them permission through "Manifest Destiny" to slaughter as many as 100 million Native Americans?  The fact is, Clifford, if given the chance, we can ALL be full of shit.
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    BENEATH THE SPIN • ERIC L. WATTREE

    Are Your Religious Beliefs Simply An Accident of Birth?
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    http://wattree.blogspot.com/2015/07/is-your-religious-beliefs-simply.html
    The Wattree Chronicle: Are Your Religious Beliefs Simply An Accident of Birth?
    DEDICATED TO THE PROPOSITION THAT MAN'S INNATE THIRST FOR KNOWLEDGE WILL SOMEDAY OVERWHELM HIS PASSIONATE LUST FOR STUPIDITY
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    WEBB:

    Relativist nonsense.. Christianity is the teachings of Jesus... so is Islam.. Jews nailed him to a board as a heretic for trashing the local Money Tree branch in the temple...
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    WATTREE:

    I'm done, man, because a bigot's a bigot as far as I'm concerned, regardless to whether the bigotry is toward Black people, a Jew, or an Eskimo, and I have absolutely no tolerance for it.
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    WEBB:

    It is what you trade in
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    WATTREE:

    Okay.
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    Chat Conversation End


    I thought I made it clear from my previous comments that I am not the "Zionist" you keep talking about. It appears that you are unable to imagine someone objecting to stuff you say on any other basis.

    You are incorrect.
     


    Eric

    The point is not about bigotry, it is about sensitivity. Whether you personally agree with it or not the Holocaust is considered a circumstance that stands on its own as a singular situation. If you envision a plan to bring people together, telling people who view the Holocaust as special to get over it does nothing to create harmony. If your point is that people have to agree with your view of the Holocaust or even BLM, Than your  plan is doomed to failure.

    Black people in America have survived a host of horrors. Black people will survive the current situation. Read your history and then come back and tell me that the current situation is hopeless. There are people working everyday to change things. Is enough being done? No! But the truth about being human, we can always do better. Why is anyone on the planet hungry, homeless, wearing rags, suffering from treatable diseases. There is never enough being done. When you come yelling that all blacks have to do is follow your plan, it comes across like Trump telling us that  he will build a wall between the United States paid for by Mexico.

    We await your future posts detailing the plan. You are facing an audience of skeptics. The plan will have to consist of more than touting your personal experiences detailing how you dealt with a particular situation. We want to see specifics that can be broadly applied and includes those with poor reading and math skills. Many of us tire of hearing about all the "pathology" in the black community, followed by stating that we cannot challenge the 1%, then that we need to form alliances, then going out of the way to offend people who should be allies.

    Despite the crime of selling loose cigarettes to support his family, Eric Garner should not have been choked to death. Activists in NY are not waiting for the next cop to kill an unarmed citizen, they are pressuring the NYPD to change their way of doing business. This activism and a host of other activism is occurring. You are not aware of all the levels being attacked, so you dismiss it as people complaint about single homicides. You need to stop worrying about one crazy black Sheriff and catch up on what the black community is doing.

    We await your future posts dear ailing your plan.


    Eric

    Here is the story of a veteran Baltimore PD officer charged with assault and suspended for spitting on a man handcuffs. In the past the officer would face no penalty. This is why, the police fear the citizenry. The police no longer have a free hand to abuse people.

    http://www.wbal.com/article/125783


    Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke: Black Lives Matter ‘will join forces’ with Islamic State
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    RM,
    .
    Let me school you in the wisdom of experience. You didn't see this coming, but I did. I told you that We can't out-scream the establish, because they control the the media; we can't out fight the establishment, because they control the military and arms industry; so the only way that we can deal with the White elitist establishment is to out-think them. In my last article I said the following:
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    "Many insightful Black people recognize the truth in what I'm saying, but our collective response to it is lackadaisical, indifferent, and completely inept. Just going after one bad cop after he's killed a Black child, and snatching microphones from people in order to grandstand on stage does absolutely nothing to correct the problem we face.What good has that done? Black people are still being slaughtered on the street, and their personal lives are still being made miserable in their homes, on their jobs, and in the courts. All we're doing with such behavior is showing the powers that be what pushovers we are. We've got to go after the system that spawned and protects that bad cop AS A WHOLE - and in order to do that we're going to have organize our community, become serious and mature adults with an eye toward the future, and stop giving priority to Beyonce swinging her butt. But currently, we're allowing the social manipulators to keep us completely distracted while they're picking us off one at a time with complete impunity, and as they become more bold, they're going to eventually start coming after us as a group, and that day may be sooner than you think."
    .
    WAKE UP, BLACK PEOPLE - THE HOLOCAUST WASN'T A MYTH
    (PROLOGUE)
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    http://wattree.blogspot.com/2015/10/wake-up-black-people-holocaust-wasnt...
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    THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE OUT-THOUGHT BY THE ESTABLISHMENT. THEY HAVE TROTTED OUT A BLACK MAN TO START  PROPAGATING THE POSITION THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS AND ARE A THREAT TO AMERICA. IF A FASCIST REPUBLICAN WINS THE 2016 ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT, HOW LONG DO THINK IT WILL BE BEFORE THEY START ROUNDING US UP, EN MASSE?  CAN'T YOU SEE THAT THEY'RE SETTING UP THE FOUNDATION FOR IT RIGHT NOW!!!?  THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE BECOMING A PART OF ISIS, THE MOST EVIL FORCE IN THE WORLD TODAY!
    .
    WAKE UP, BLACK PEOPLE!!!
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    Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke: Black Lives Matter ‘will join forces’ with Islamic State
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    THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE DUMB, DISENGAGED, AND NAIVE.
    .
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/28/david-clarke-black-milwa... 


    Eric the good Sheriff is an idiot who only can appear on Fox News. He is not a serious person. He can rant about BLM and ISIS all he wants. He is not important. He is not reality based. In the real world, the discussion is between Black Lives Matter and Campaign Zero. The issue is whether the DNC should host an entire debate focusing on black issues. The focused debate is supported by the founders of BLM. The Democratic Party offered a town hall focused on black issues. Campaign Zero finds the town hall acceptable because real black people can ask the candidates real questions the two organizations disagree, but they respect each other's position. There was a beautiful discussion where one of the founders of BLM and one of the founders of Campaign Zero voiced their differences on a "Melissa Harris-Perry" segment last weekend. That is the adult-style debate occurring in the black community. You to busy focusing on an insane black sheriff to realize that it happened.

    The link to an article about the DNC town hall.

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/10/democratic-national-committee-as...

    Here is a link to the respectful discussion between BLM and Campaign Zero on MHP

    http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/how-presidential-politic...

    There will be no round up of black people. These are not the worst of times faced by black people. There have always been a segment of sycophants who hate themselves in the black community. There names are lost to history as their bones turned to dust in the earth. The sheriff is an amusement who will not be remembered in history.

    I look forward to future articles detailing your solution.


    RM,
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    Where is your head? You obviously have a very poor understanding of history.
    .
    I'm done. This is a waste of keyboard time.


    My head is reality based. My heart is not fearful of a crazy obscure black sheriff. My historical knowledge is intact. These are not the worse of times. There is no round up of black people coming.

    I look forward to future posts on your "plan".


    I'm sorry, RM.
    .
    I shouldn't have posted what I did above.  I just got frustrated. Here's what I posted to Facebook:
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    Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke: Black Lives Matter ‘will join forces’ with Islamic State:
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    We Need to Nip This In The Bud By Demanding That This Guy Be Fired
    .
    RM,
    .
    Let me school you in the wisdom of experience. You didn't see this coming, but I did. I told you that We can't out-scream the establish, because they control the the media; we can't out fight the establishment, because they control the military and arms industry; so the only way that we can deal with the White elitists establishment is to out-think them. In my last article I said the following:
    .
    "Many insightful Black people recognize the truth in what I'm saying, but our collective response to it is lackadaisical, indifferent, and completely inept. Just going after one bad cop after he's killed a Black child, and snatching microphones from people in order to grandstand on stage does absolutely nothing to correct the problem we face.What good has that done? Black people are still being slaughtered on the street, and their personal lives are still being made miserable in their homes, on their jobs, and in the courts. All we're doing with such behavior is showing the powers that be what pushovers we are. We've got to go after the system that spawned and protects that bad cop AS A WHOLE - and in order to do that we're going to have to organize our community, become serious and mature adults with an eye toward the future, and stop giving priority to Beyonce swinging her butt. But currently, we're allowing the social manipulators to keep us completely distracted while they're picking us off one at a time with complete impunity, and as they become more bold, they're going to eventually start coming after us as a group, and that day may be sooner than you think."
    .
    WAKE UP, BLACK PEOPLE - THE HOLOCAUST WASN'T A MYTH
    (PROLOGUE)
    .
    http://wattree.blogspot.com/2015/10/wake-up-black-people-holocaust-wasnt...
    .
    THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE OUT-THOUGHT BY THE ESTABLISHMENT. THEY HAVE TROTTED OUT A BLACK MAN STARTING TO PROPAGATE THE POSITION THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS AND ARE A THREAT TO AMERICA. IF A FASCIST REPUBLICAN WINS THE 2016 ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT, HOW LONG DO THINK IT WILL BE BEFORE THEY START ROUNDING US UP, EN MASSE?  CAN'T YOU SEE THAT THEY'RE SETTING UP THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT RIGHT NOW!!!?  THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE BECOMING A PART OF ISIS, THE MOST EVIL FORCE IN THE WORLD TODAY! THIS ALLOWS THEM TO LOCKUP ANYONE WHO SAYS ANYTHING THEY DON'T LIKE. ASK ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN GUANTANAMO. 
    .
    EVERY SINCE THE BUSH/CHENEY ADMINISTRATION, AMERICA HAS BEEN RAPIDLY BECOMING A FASCIST NATION. DOESN'T THE FACT THAT THEY'RE EVEN BLOCKING THE VOTE TELL YOU ANYTHING!!!?  SO DON'T THINK IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE. THE UNITED STATES ADVOCATED EXECUTING PEOPLE DURING THE NUREMBERG TRAILS FOR DOING FAR LESS THAN BUSH AND CHENEY DID. DID YOU EVER THINK YOU'D SEE THE UNITED STATES CONDONE TORTURE, OR THE VICE PRESIDENT OUTING ONE OF OUR OWN CIA AGENTS?  REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT IKE EISENHOWER WOULD HAVE SUMMARILY EXECUTED DICK CHENEY FOR COMMITTING SUCH ACTIONS. THAT'S HOW FAR WE'VE SLIPPED, IN JUST A VERY SHORT TIME.  SO COMING AFTER BLACK PEOPLE EN MASSE AIN'T NOTHING IN THIS CURRENT POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT. 
    .
    WAKE UP, BLACK PEOPLE!!!
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    Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke: Black Lives Matter ‘will join forces’ with Islamic State
    .
    THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO BE DUMB, DISENGAGED, AND NAIVE.
    .
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/28/david-clarke-black-milwa...


    Eric 

    Sheriff David Clarke is not important. He has access to a microphone and he has a mouth. He has no brain. In recent months Raven-Symone, the young child appearing on the "Cosby Show" and now on "The View" has made some stupid statements. She said that she would not hire a black person with a "funny" name. She also felt that a Mexican official who said that Michelle Obama had a monkey face did not make a racist statement. Raven-Symone shares the stage with Whooping Goldberg. Whoopi said that Roman Polanski did not commit "rape-rape". Goldberg supported Bill Cosby until the bitter end. It is likely that complaints from sponsors got her to shut up about Cosby. On CNN, we have Don Lemon who in questioning one of Cosby's accusers asked why in the midst of a rape the woman didn't bite Cosby's penis off. My point in telling these stories is that there are a multitude of nitwits who have access to microphones and video cameras. Sheriff Clarke is just one nitwit among many.


    RM,

    I see why I can't through to you.  There are many concepts that you don't seem to get, or at least, accept. A Black Sheriff has credibility among many Americans, and especially right-wing wingnuts - and especially one with the credentials he has. Research him. So this may not be just one clueless Black sheriff with a big mouth. This could be the beginning of a right-wing establishment campaign to demonize Black people as terrorist sympathizers in order to mount a campaign against us all in the exact same way they did with Muslims and the people of Iraq before they went in and killed a million of them.  I predicted that this could happen in our earlier discussion when I asked the question, was it possible that BLM had been infiltrated by the Koch brothers.  That's a classic "cointelpro" tactic from the sixties. That's how they brought down the civil rights movement.  

    First, the establish infiltrates a group with Judas goats who seem to be super-militant in pursuit of "the cause."  Then they use those Judas goats to convince the people within the group that the more level-headed people in the group are weak, so they should follow them. Thereafter, they start committing acts that will turn off the American people - like snatching microphones during events, and other thoughtless and stupid things. That allows the establishment to demonize the group and paint their intentions in any way they like. And now they're extending the activities the activities of the group to Black people in general. After all, what Black person doesn't believe that Black lives matter? 
    .
    That's a tactic that's been being used since the very beginning of this nation and before. Don't forget how they painted the Native Americans as "savages" and wiped them out for simply fighting for their rights.  And now you're saying this sheriff is just a clueless Black man with a big mouth!!!?  You're being incredibly naive and dismissive of a history that's been repeated for centuries.  
    .
    So I'm going to end this discussion, because I feel like I'm trying to teach calculus to a person who hasn't learned addition and subtraction. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I think you're a very intelligent person in many ways, but in this case, as I said before, you're demonstrating a propensity for being incredibly naive.   


    We strongly disagree on this. Conservatives always demonize black people. Blacks are illegitimate in the eyes of Conservatives. Martin Luther King Jr was a Communist. President Obama is not an American citizen and therefore isn't office illegally. Stop and Frisk was applied to all young black males because every black male was a threat. Black activists stuck with Martin Luther King Jr.and the Civil Rights Act passed in Congress. President Barack Obama was elected twice. Given the Republican Presidential it is likely that The President could be elected for a third term. Activists took down Stop and Frisk. There is a push to have police wear cameras because the public no longer trusts the police. Blacks are always under attack and have always fought back. 

    Eric, no one knows this nitwit sheriff and his credentials are dust when compared to police organizations and elected officials working to end mass incarceration. The sheriff you fear so much may be a hero to wingnuts, but is dismissed by others. Herman Cain and Ben Carson carry the message that blacks should be feared. Both have no clout beyond the wingnuts. 

    I have no idea why you focus on an impotent idiot.


    RM,

    Read my latest article.  I wrote it to you. Never underestimate the gullibility of the American people. 


    NEVER underestimate the strength of Black people. Always bet on Black.


     RM,
    .
    I've never doubted the strength or intelligence of Black people - it's our focus that I'm concerned about. And while I love your optimism, we haven't been doing so well so far. If we were, 
    a group called "Black Lives Matter" wouldn't be necessary. 


    You do not understand the human condition. There are always predators. The idea is not giving up the struggle. The nitwit sheriff is nothing new.


    Who's talking about giving up a struggle!!!?  I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion with you, and you're spewing inspirational slogans. How old are you, 18?  This ain't no football game. I should have stuck to what I said above. I'm done.


    I am sorry that you have so much despair. Black people are engaged in the struggle.

    You envision a magical situation where people fall into line with your pla. People will not follow your plan, so you see no hope. You dismiss those involved in the struggle as not doing enough. You will remain depressed.


    Black people are getting our asses kicked.


    And black people are kicking ass.

    Mass incarceration is under attack

    Abusive police are being prosecuted

    There are more college age black males in college than in prison

    Young white students are leading the charge to bring down Conferate flags.

    Young white students and their faculty are bringing down the Mississippi state flag because it contains a Confederate emblem

    Black Lives Matter is forcing Democrats to address racial injustice.

    These are not the worse of times for black people.

    Detail your plan and we will have further discussion. I am not frightened by a self-hating black sheriff.


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