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    Those Were the Days...or were they ?

    There is a lot of back and forth on the blogs these days about what should or should or be done about the economy, jobs, the financial industry and what not. Some pointing to the president others to congress but most to each other. The problem with all of this is that most of the arguments are based on a premise that assumes a few fundamental myths but ignores some basic facts.

    The main one being that the prosperity of the white middle class could be improved if only - pick one - the banks were better regulated, we had more green technology, jobs were not being outsourced....... All noble ideas in and of themselves but hardly the crux of the problem.

    I put white middle class in italics because this prosperity that so many remember, including this author, was enjoyed almost exclusively by white middle class American males. Those below economically, women and minorities generally did not get included. And yet if one looks at the income, adjusted for inflation, it was not all that high. All the same families like my own where my father was a High School teacher could afford a new car every year, a nice house, current techno-toys and a nice summer vacation. All with out credit cards or going deeply into debt some other way. How could this be so ?

    After doing some digging and remembering it became more clear. The amount of spendable income after the necessities such as food, clothing, housing and transportation - was significantly greater. The percentage of ones income spent on the basics was much lower. Gas was around 19 cents a gallon, a new car was around $3000.00 for a nice one, a rib roast was 29 cents a pound. You get the idea. Most things were dirt cheap comparatively speaking. But why ? And why so much more now ? Allowing for inflation of course.

    Well for one thing all this nice stuff was almost exclusively available only to white middle class and up males. Interest rates were low because loans and credit for housing, transportation and other higher priced articles simply were not given to minorities, women and/or those in the lower income brackets. White males could get credit in the TV store and car lot but not blacks, Latinos, women or other undesirables. For another thing wages and jobs that paid well were only given to white males and yes white middle or above males at that. Women, if by some chance did get a job other that teaching, nursing or secretarial - got paid much less than their male counter parts. Minorities nearly never got those kinds of jobs. And farm workers - primarily those that harvested the crops - got paid nearly nothing.

    So business overhead was very low indeed. Which translated into low prices. Add to that all the defense spending that came to nearly every major corporation and prices could be low and profits still fairly high. Health care was low for similar reasons. Hospitals could and quite often did turn people away for the race, gender and even religion. Doctors made house calls because they could afford to. Few law suits and low overhead insurance wise because they could pick and choose their patients. Yes sir. For White American males things looked pretty good.

    Ah but then the injustice of this situation began to be eliminated with various legislation making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion or even income when hiring, giving credit, housing and nearly everything else. Farm workers got organized. All of this very good but little though was given to the consequences of these laws. And business being business did what it generally does - pass all these additional costs and overhead on to the consumer and then their employees. Did anyone really expect them to do otherwise ? To just absorb these costs ?

    Add to that the increased competition from overseas and the gradual elimination of a number of cold war defense contracts and we have the situation as it stands today. The right wants to go back to the way it was, but this will not work and would most likely require military intervention to force that issue. Quite frankly I don't think they have the stomach for it.

    The left seems to believe that business can be forced to play fair, which they never have done. See the right above.

    Add to this the global nature of business right now with each country still insisting on some economic autonomy and we have a very complex problem indeed. But I believe that hands will be forced on this sooner or later. That some form of global financial regulation where everybody is forced to play be the same rules will come about simply because nobody has the stomach for another world or even regional war. That even the right when faced with the alternatives will grudgingly acquiesce.

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    Yeah, my Dad used to tell us that corporations don't pay taxes, they just pass them on.


    They pass everything they can get away with on.


    I recall a better time economically, when the idea was Protect America. 

    We bought American products, keeping American workers employed. 

    Workers paying taxes to the government, to do the peoples will

    A significant change happened when our American manufacturers got greedy.

    The manufacturers were being forced to comply with clean air and clean water standards.

    Regulations were imposed because Americans wanted a better life for all of it’s citizens. 

    Manufacturers balked, it was cutting into their profits. The country be damned. 

    As Thomas Jefferson stated

    Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.” 

    Thomas Jefferson was well aware of the English trade practices of keeping the colonists as a slave class, for the benefit of the English Lords. 

    The Constitution provided for tariffs and duties as a counter measure, to prevent this type of abuse from being perpetrated on the American colonies ever again.

    Americans were not going to be victimized by a trade war created for the benefit of merchants. 

    Free trade is a boon for merchants, at the expense of the country. Thomas Jefferson told us that, so did Ross Perot.  

    Free trade is not free, the cost to the Nation is too high. 

    Sure, now we have no dirty air or dirty water, because we have no industry to pollute, With no industry, we have no jobs. No jobs, no taxes collected. No governement progrms or assitance.  

    Thomas Jefferson and our forefathers wouldn’t have allowed cheap imported goods to enter the United States, in order to force American workers to becoming second-class citizens.

    Preventing greedy merchants, from seeking their own gain at the expense of the country. 

    I see a protectionist America coming to the aid of its people. 

    Imagine Americans not buying Chinese or third country goods.

    The ripple effect, would probably lower energy costs.

    Costs passed on to consumers.

    I could relate moe benefits, to ending our ridiculous trade policies, intend to enriching merchants, at the expense of the middle class.

    Merchants don't care about the middle class, a slave class will do just fine.


    What happened to the edit feature?


    To edit, you have to believe you can edit.


    Are you trying to mislead me?


    That's precisely what god asked when reviewing his galley of the bible and realized he had saved that dickhead Noah and his rather uninteresting wife instead of that other guy who - although a bit of a rascal - had promised two goats, a lamb, and his first born male child in exchange for an awesome bass boat and a fishing vacation.


    If instead of mocking and ridiculing Noah; the people should have hedged their bets and had built they're own boats. Stupid people.   

    They could have booked passage with Noah there was plenty of room. Instead they were more interested in violent acts against one another. 

    EARTH FILLED WITH VIOLENCE    

    (Genesis 6:5) . . .saw that the badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time.

     (Genesis 6:9-7:24) 9 …….. Noah was a righteous man. He proved himself faultless among his contemporaries. ……. 11 And the earth came to be ruined in the sight of the [true] God and

      the earth became filled with violence. 

    12 So God saw the earth and, look! it was ruined, because all flesh had ruined its way on the earth. 13 After that God said to Noah: “The end of all flesh has come before me, because the earth is full of violence as a result of them; and here I am bringing them to ……. 14 Make for yourself an ark out of wood ………. 4 For in just seven days more I am making it rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe every existing thing……….

     that I have made…..

     off the surface of the ground.” 

    THE animals had enough sense to get into the ark.

     Why didn’t the wicked get in? Because they were senseless, they would rather mock and ridicule Noah.

    While Noah rejoiced because he had done as he was commanded, the wicked ended up as manure.  


    <zwooba, zwooba, zwooba> <ding!> Noah!
    <zwooba, zwooba, zwooba> <ding!> Noah!
    What?
    It's the Lord, Noah.
    Right ...

    What you want? I've been good.
    I want you to build an Ark
    Right ...
    What's an Ark?
    Get some wood build it
    300 cubits by 80 cubits by 40 cubits
    Right ...
    Whats a cubit?


    Skeptics laughed, ridiculed, and drowned—but Noah . . . survived.

    Turns out Noah was smart enough to listen, learn and do, saving his life  

    300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high 

    17.5 inches per cubit, the ark measured 437 feet 6 inches by 72 feet 11 inches by 43 feet 9 inches.

    Divided into three levels equaling more than 91,000 square feet of floor space and an overall capacity of 1.2 million cubic feet.

    Equivalent to approximately, 445 standard railroad boxcars; or 10 trains of some 44 cars each.

    The study of anthropology tells of many peoples and tribes, teaching the flood account, all with common agreement. A great flood occurred.  

    Do you doubt the significance of its existence, or the account of the flood? Or do you too, want to laugh and ridicule? 


    As my Auntie Diluvia used to say, "It ain't Christian to take what ain't yours."


     I think i would have liked your Auntie.


    Good, then make her happy by writing your own posts instead of hijacking others.


    It isn't highjacking,  I consider it a civic duty to point out falsehoods and dead end solutions,  that do little to solve the problems we face. 

    So get used to an American who'll stand up for principles and values against those who would act like dictators. You wrote in your post

    “Are we raising an emotionally-starved ADD/ADHD/Autistic underclass - easily fragmented and all too prone to being out-maneuvered by socially adept overlords? Starvation inflicts real damage, and I wonder what future these people can carve out for themselves.” 

    http://dagblog.com/health/starved-class-8432 

    We wouldn’t be emotionally starved if we weren’t morally starved.  

    So if you think I highjacked your post, because I meditated on YOUR question and instead focused on the root cause?  TOUGH


    Uh, parse this you Yahwist nut:

     

    auntie diluvia...antediluvian...that would be "before the flood," ya feel me?

     

    Precious Blood of the Sweet Baby Jesus, you are one dense motherfucker!


    THIS IS THE QUOTE OF THE WEEK. My goodness, I have never read that Jefferson cite before.

    There certainly is no national allegiance for international corporations and I bet more than half of our budget goes straight into the hands of these bastards.

    Well put. Really well put.


    Thank you DD,

    I wish our leaders would stand up to the merchant class.

    What do We the People have to do?  


    I think you have some of the economics off here. Elizabeth Warren presents some really excellent research in this lecture (it's a pretty famous one) that seems to show WTF it happened ... turns out it wasn't equality for minorities that led to the current Middle Class perdicment. Or at least she makes one hell of a good case.

    (The whole thing is really worth it if you haven't watched it before ... if you start in at around 12:30 or so she gets into the research about where todays's income goes vs. the "good old days").


    My point (one of my points) is that everything that got passed on to business (agricultural, manufacturing, financial etc) business passed right back on to the consumers and employees.


    She left out one other thing. Credit Cards. That up to the early 1970s available only to those that were fairly well heeled. This does not include the oil company cards and I think Sears and Montgomery Wards had their store cards. And they most certainly did not carry a 20% interest rate.

    Oh and utilities and energy. All that has gone through the roof. My electric bill for a 1 BR Apt. runs around 200 bucks a month. Water, phone etc. 150 a month. And I don't have cable TV either.


    And people did not send their kids to private schools either.  Private schools being a reaction to forced school de-segregation no doubt.


    I believe one of the hidden-in-plain-sight problem in your narrative is Wall Street obsessive demand for ever increasing growth rates. Say a company joys a secure 3% annual profit on it's product. If it doesn't do anything to drive their growth to 4% then they become the lackluster performers that everyone shuns. So to keep their presence in the marketplace profitable so as to attract investors the company develops ways and methods to increase their profit to either meet or exceed Wall Street expectations. And that's the problem.

    Problem in that a 3% annual growth rate on profits would double in 23 years. Whereas a 4% growth rate doubles in 17 years. Hence, the higher the annual growth rate the faster an investor can expect to see their investments mature, especially if the majority of profits earned are plowed back to the investors. That means the company would be looking at ways to cut expenses for raw materials, facilities, machinery, employees, wages and benefits to meet or exceed Wall Street's expectation of their potential growth. It also means there is less money to develop newer products or re-train existing employees...it's cheaper to buy out an competitor and re-tag their product with your own logo. And employees are a dime a dozen simply because as the economy started to turn ugly in 2000, employers were able to hire workers at lower wages with fewer benefits because the economy never got back on its feet after the dot-com bubble burst and the financial mini-melt down that ensnared Enron, MCI and other less than honest larger than life companies.

    I believe it ties in with your narrative because the ivory tower that held it all in place were the white middle-class you were talking about. It's when those "others" had to be accomodated that the business sector began to develop ways to circumvent the intent of the legislation by passing on the cost of following the rules laid out by the government on to consumers and shifting profits ever so slightly into the share-holder-equity side of the house to appease Wall Street's larger than life expections. Today we have highly profitable businesses that pay out very little in wages and benefits and are able to selectively single out who can be let go and not run afoul of federal rules or regulations.


    Mad Men is popular in part I believe because there are many who want to go back to those times when the white males were supreme both economically and socially.  And the argument could be made that the post WWII boom and prosperity was built not only on the backs of the undesirables within the country, but also on the backs of the third world/developing countries whose people were viewed as undersirable to white patriarchy.

    Of course, there are plenty of other variables. One good example is what "middle clas kids" considered "a good haul" on Christmas day, and what that translated to their parents bill on their credit card.  In other words, keeping up with the Jones has changed a bit over the past 70 years. 


    Especially when the Jones drive BMWs.


    And their kids are watching DVDs on their entertainment systems in the backseats. 

    I remember my mother telling my brother and me that the long road trip had just two or three Gillian Islands left to give us some sense of perspective of what laid ahead.  This would have me staring out the window of the car at the landscape passing by imaging the opening scene of the Gillian Isalnd episode that first came to mind.  And we were the upper middle class at the time.


    All I had was a cheesy Jap transistor radio and I had to play it very low cause my parents could not stand my music.


    the little transitor with the wrist band.  kind of freaked out the family, esp the old brother, because i would listen to the classical music station, held up to the ear because the "speaker" was so lame.


    In the future, please consider alternative adjectives for transistor radios.  If you do that for me (dare I say us), I will consider 2 alternatives for the adjectives of your choice.  And by the way, I enjoyed the blog and comments.  Thanks


    On the first day of Xmas,

    my true love gave to me,

    a Japanese transistor radio.


    Oh yes...A Green Chri$tma$


    We listened to books on tape:  Chronicles of Narnia, Misty of Chincoteague, Stuart Little, Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings,  Sherlock Holmes (once they were older), and Harry Potter, among many others.  They looked out the windows, but they saw characters come to life -- not a DVD image, but through their own imaginations.  I have a family of readers, and I loved the opportunity to get familiar with their literature that I had not yet read myself.

     

    When we moved to Charlottesville we sang the Gilligan's Island song every time we got in the car!  We just reminisced about it when they were all here for the holidays.


    Such are the times that we now look back at those technological days as the "good old days."  Of course, the days when everyone gathered around the radio to listen to the next episode of the Shadow (who knows what lurks in the heart of men) was a time when the collective mind was pushed to greater creativity.  What I think we can all agree we on the downward trend.  At least in "our day" there was at least the expectation that there would be at least one or two moments in a child's mental growth when the child was in charge of directing that growth.


    sigh......ya


    I do admit to feeling some superiority to those parents who put DVD's in the car to quiet their children.   I read to them from the time they could sit still, and invited their ideas of who they imagined the characters to be.  We really enjoyed the books on tape that kept us rapt on the way to the Outer Banks.  

    At home, I had a rule that there would be no TV if the sun was shining, but once we moved to Charlottesville, I let up, and they still got hooked on X Box and all the other stuff.  No question -- a downward trend.


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