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    OBEY TOOK ME BACK TO THE ODYSSEY

    The discussion with my old friend Obey involved Julian Jaynes and his essay entitled:

    THE ORIGIN OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BICAMERAL MIND.

    I had not heard from Obey for years? and yet he made some comment on my latest blog and he inspired me to look up an old blog from years back (7 years?) involving Jaynes.

    And of course Peracles showed up as comic relief. hahjahaha

    Bear with me now? hahahaha

    I continue to have PC issues so I will fill in the links later.

    The focus of Jaynes involved a theory that there exists a two part divide in our brains.

    And in the 'olden days' one part told the other part how to act.

    So basically, the one part involved voices of the gods telling the other part how to act.

    Jaynes took us to the Iliad. And his point was that the characters in Homer's Iliad were slaves to whatever the Gods told them to do.

    When one contrasted the Iliad with the Odyssey, one would surmise that something changed in the very essence of humanity.

    THE VOICES SOMEHOW STOPPED

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey

    I have to come back.

    The discussion with my old friend Obey involved an old blog I wrote in 2009.

    Mike W kept some of our old blogs without any monetary recompense. hahaha

    Bear with me now.

    As an aside, we might recall that Adam and Noah and Moses and others spoke directly to God.

    And later on, no one (except those with psychiatric problems) spoke with the Gods any longer.

    Something changed drastically with regard to our psyches.

    In the Iliad all but Ulysses obeyed the gods.

    Now, the Iliad changed over the centuries. Supposedly a blind man by the name of Homer dictated old folklore into some tome. But over the years, the tome changed. So Homer became a school. And the Iliad of 750 bc was different than the Iliad of, say, 350BC.

    Things were added and most probably subtracted.

    And Ancient Greek experts attest to all of these changes.

    And some of these experts use their powers to demonstrate these changes  by looking at syntax and other important factors to show us what the Iliad might have looked like in 750 BC as opposed to 350 BC as opposed to our earliest extant texts. (Oh, I just wish to add that the earliest Bible we have as of 2016? is some clump of paper dated 400 AD?

    But then the Odyssey comes along

    But Ulysses does not lose the ability to hear the Gods.

    He just decides:

    FUCK YOU GODS

    I am going to do whatever I wish to do.

    The voices are still there.

    And I do not agree with Jaynes on this point. The voices never stopped!

    We never lost the ability to hear the voices.

    See the difference?

    The greatest scene in all of literature, in my mind at least, involves Ulysses tied to the mast.

    There was this straight on the high seas between two masses of land and the fear of the mariner involved the voices and the songs of the Sirens. Those songs inevitably led to the demise of the ship and its crew!

    Our hero commanded that all his crew plug their ears with cotton (Egyptian cotton of course) so that they might not hear the songs of the Sirens. And so the ship would be saved along with its crew.

    But Ulysses had to hear those songs. Our hero was compelled to listen to these songs of doom.

    He commanded his crew to tie him to the mast and ordered his crew to disobey any order that he might have given whilst tied to the mast. The cotton ear phones would ensure this demand.

    Our hero had and I mean HAD to listen; to hear; to experience those songs.

    This is going to sounds trite, probably because it is trite. hahaha

    But many times a month I have to hear Rush or Billo or FOX News or.....

    You see, Ulysses was compelled to listen to the songs of the Sirens.

    BUT HE DID NOT WISH HIS CREW TO HEAR THOSE SONGS.

    Ulysses did not trust his crew with regard to free speech. hahahah

    Now, in this new world of tech our gods speak to us all the time.

    Our gods speak to us over the radio in our cars.

    Our Gods speak to us over Cable.

    Our Gods speak to us over the Internet.

    We have screens and tv's and radios and Iphones and....

    And they all speak to us.

    Everyday in every way.

    What Ulysses taught us; what we must understand.

    IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACT AS OUR GODS TELL US.

    I gotta save this. hahahas and come back

    But we must defend ourselves from those who would write that:

    Judge B lives at 270 N Third Street in Everyday, Virginia and we should kill Judge B.

    Here is Obey's link:

    http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/12/how-bicameralism-helps-explain-westworld.html

    Here is my old link from 2009

    http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/origin-consciousness-4912

    I will probably be back with more edit

    Every day in every way!

     

    Comments

     

    Oh and it was not until the Korean War that HST decided that Blacks must be integrated with the White Soldiers but WHO'S COUNTING anyway. hahahahah

    I just liked this song cause there is Sweet BABY James singing in front of my favorite Prez.

     


    Great one Dick! 

    Yup, be like Ulysses. Piss off the Gods and take a 10 year enforced cruise around the Mediterranean. 


    Hi Obey, you make my day. hahaha

    You got it!

    So nice to see you again.


    When i think of bicameralism, I always come back to this line of research about schizophrenia

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2016/03/schizophrenia_and_subvocal_speech_why_schizophrenics_hear_the_voices_of.html

    Auditory hallucinations aren't hallucinations in many cases. It's just the listener himself muttering unintentionally and not recognizing the words as his own. I.e. we are ourselves the Gods we should be ignoring. or something


    Yeah that is why this thought got to me.

    Hell, listen to the nightly news, whatever source, and we hear nothing but mutterings for chrissakes.

    Do as we say, not as we do. hahahaha

    Ignore the evil gods; but listen to the better gods?

    Or something!


    Strange, I think of Bactrians or straws that brokeback the camels.


    Atheists are praying for this country. I kid you not.


    I'm making a tee shirt based on this comment.


    RMRD has a point here.

    I hereby render unto NCD the Dayly Line of the Day Award for this here Dagblog Site, given to all of NCD from all of me.

    Oh and rmrd, I will take one of those t-shirts. hahaha


    Make mine XL..! 


    Relax. I got both of you guys TWO of what I got you last year for Christmas.


    I was going to ask for a KKK robe with "I'm With Stupid" silkscreened on, but in these Days of Trump I guess everything's handled in dribs and drabs...

    And I guess I should have expected this shit existed, but still it's amazing to behold. (Yep, real Bettie Page, sadly).

    And a slightly more #FAIL version:

    But perhaps the strangest observation is that a Google search for KKK of course brings up.... THE KARDASHIANS!!! That's right, any spare K's hanging around naturally accrue to that Beverly Hills fashion "klan". (No, I'm not talking about their t-shirt *they* made up - I'm just talking about random shots of the Kardashians slinking around, like this one. Who knows what that Google algorithm intended.


    Holy cow Peracles!

    I am speechless. hahhahahAHHHHAHAH


    Don't know what's going on with the Klan photo of Bettie Page. One fact generally glossed over is the fact that she was discovered by a black NYPD officer and amateur photographer. Jerry Tibbs.

    https://motorengine.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/and-who-the-hell-is-this-guy/


    Nice. Bettie Page obviously wasn't into boundaries, and her Klan outfit wasn't something that the rank-and-file would recruit with, but her black cop/photographer/career maker is priceless, especially for those times. Thanks for sharing, glad I popped this in. Ofc course easier in New York than Birmingham...

    I also liked the Spongebob deadication from our lavender klansmen of (techni)color.

    AWe I just twigged that maybe pic #4 was a 40's version of "Coyote Ugly" and not a Klan pageant after all?


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