Obama recommends on police reform

    the other three after the jump

    I posted the next one as the starter of a long News thread so you may have read it

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    That's interesting, the so called freedom loving libertarian leaning west tends to have more cops



    “In Milwaukee, homicides are up 37% so far this year, on pace to break the record of 167 in 1991, which included 16 murders by convicted serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer.”https://t.co/KPCgN1P9Ev

    — Jason Willick (@jawillick) July 13, 2020

    And social workers can't really help with this kind of thing, guess one has to depend on Twitter:

     


    "Quotas", always a problem:


    Interesting that the NYPost is headlining this story of a black cop beating up a white guy on the subway:

    Note that it was a pretty outrageous situation as the DA believed the cop totally and charged the victim with assault! Didn't bother to ask to see the body cam footage?

    There's lots of lefty anti-police posting of it on Twitter, and calls from NYC for the cops to be fired.

    But that NYPost has decided to highlight a "cops are thugs" story is something new!



    Things aren't looking good for the NYPD becoming open to acting more humanely towards strangers::

    I don't see no de-escalation or non-violent theory here. I see tribal hatreds.



    ^A "must watch". Intelligent cop with history degree with his own earnest grievances about adolescent "BLM" protesters.


    I question this story. He says blacks and Latinos wanted to talk to him, but the conversation was stopped by white people, repeatedly. No black or Latino person told the white person to STFU? 


    Doleac is Economics professor @TAMU,  Director @JusticeTechLab, Host of the @ProbCausation ​podcast. I study crime & discrimination.



    Ah now here we have the hard complicated truth as I see it after reading a gazillion things on topic. And I suspect Obama might agree-so I am plopping it here- he's a smart and reasonable cookie who has talked to a lot of folks about things like this and policy and realities, and thought long and hard about it since his community organizing days, not to mention seen how policing works out around the world. He's just not ready and able to admit this reality for political reasons, maybe never will be able to:

    "The protests were whiter than the police department’

    Peter Moskos – sociologist and former Baltimore cop – talks to spiked about race, policing and mass incarceration.

    By Tom Slater, Deputy Editor @ Spiked-online.com, July 27


    81% of Black Americans Don't Want Less Police Presence Despite Protests—Some Want More Cops: Poll

    By Jocelyn Grzeszczak @ Newsweek.com, Aug. 5

    A majority of Black Americans have said they want police presence in their area to either remain the same or increase, despite recent protests over police brutality, according to new polls.

    A Gallup poll conducted from June 23 to July 6 surveying more than 36,000 U.S. adults found that 61 percent of Black Americans said they'd like police to spend the same amount of time in their community, while 20 percent answered they'd like to see more police, totaling 81 percent. Just 19 percent of those polled said they wanted police to spend less time in their area.

    Black Americans' responses to the question were nearly on par with the national average, in which 67 percent of all U.S. adults said they wanted police presence to remain the same and 19 percent said they wanted it to increase.

    The poll's results come amid continuing nationwide protests over police brutality and systemic racism. The rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, which activists founded in 2013, has led the U.S. to its largest collective push for civil rights since the 1960s.

    Calls to defund and even abolish entire police departments are popular talking points among BLM activists. Miski Noor, an organizer and activist with Black Visions Collective in Minnesota, recently told WBUR that abolitionists "100 percent" mean they want no more police officers.

    On May 30, five days after George Floyd died at the hands of Minneapolis police officers, BLM called for the of defunding police in a statement on its website [....]



    Obviously this means they get a free shot at everybody.

    Edit to add:

    Stop and Frisk made some people feel safe

    It made 90% of people stopped feel like targets.

    Police community relations were not improved.

    I refuse to give up my right to be treated with dignity to soothe a police officer's fears.

    That is a police state.

    In a recent incident a woman and her young relatives were forced onto hot asphalt for a bogus police stop

    Coleman is free to sacrifice his relatives to that treatment, my relatives expect better.


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