Fred On the Universal Soldier

    Today I read a column by my old buddy whom I have never met, Fred Reed.  I suppose it could be called a poem but it definitely is not a feel-good piece. After reading it I considered putting a link here but felt that it needed some context, so after thinking about it for a while I started doing some googling.
     My initial thought was that, as contrast, I would consider some various categories of poetry about war and soldiers. The heroic soldier, the soldier as victim, war as honorable, war as hell, "Where have all the Flowers Gone",  etc. etc. In the course of that my googling included such topics as 'anti-soldier poetry'. Why I did so will become evident if you read Fred's piece. Fred's view is an uncommon one. It is hardly the image our culture strives to impart to our children in sufficient numbers so that we never need quit the ugly game.
     Have you ever come up with zero hits on google? Yes, it says there are thousands of links available when you type in 'anti-soldier poetry' or a variation, but, on the few pages I skimmed, all matches for ant-soldier poetry went to anti-war poetry. One alternate choice offered by google that had pages of links that were to the point of the search was 'anti-war, pro-soldier poems'. Essays, opinion pieces, and poetry which hold soldiers as being important and responsible links in the chain of responsibility, as being part of the big problem of perpetual war, and which put the universal soldier as a bad actor regardless their tribal affiliation, are apparently very rare. Soldiers are to be always and only honored by their own tribe. Soldiers of the other tribe are dirt. Somewhat of an exception which I stumbled upon which included the soldier in the ring of the war guilty was a Vietnam era song by BUFFY SAINTE MARIE.

          The Universal Soldier

      He’s 5 foot 2 and he’s 6 feet 4
    He fights with missiles and with spears
    He’s all of 31 and he’s only 17.
    He’s been a soldier for a thousand years

    He’s a catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain
    A Buddhist, and a Baptist and Jew.
    And he knows he shouldn’t kill
    And he knows he always will kill
    You’ll for me my friend and me for you

    And He’s fighting for Canada.
    He’s fighting for France.
    He’s fighting for the USA.
    And he’s fighting for the Russians.
    And he’s fighting for Japan
    And he thinks we’ll put an end to war this way.

    And He’s fighting for democracy,
    He’s fighting for the reds
    He says it’s for the peace of all.
    He’s the one, who must decide,
    who’s to live and who’s to die.
    And he never sees the writing on the wall.

    But without him,
    how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
    Without him Caesar would have stood alone
    He’s the one who gives his body
    as a weapon of the war.
    And without him all this killing can’t go on

    He’s the universal soldier
    And he really is the blame
    His orders comes from
    far away no more.

    They come from him.
    And you and me.
    And brothers can’t you see.
    This is not the way we put an end to war

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYEsFQ_gt7c&feature=player_detailpage

    Buffy's thoughts seem to come from a sympathetic place. She says the soldier thinks he is fighting for good cause. Fred knows the universal soldier in another way and he is not one to sugar coat his view of reality. His view is dark. He is not seeing that soldier as surrounded by a yellow ribbon lined aura of the respectable protector. He sees the universal soldier, the omnipresent soldier, the soldier more common than the ones of poems, from a longer historical view. His story is not the one we are teach our children.

    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Soldier.shtml

    Comments

     There are soldiers and then there are soldiers. Why is it so damned hard to figure out which ones are really trying to serve with honor to higher ideals than those of our "leaders" who never need put their own safety on the scales when balancing risk against reward. Maybe we let the wrong ones decide the fate of the good ones.

     I realize not everyone agrees with me about Manning. Many believe he deserves everything that has been done to him by those we empower to act in our names.Why should a punk like that get away with bringing uncomfortable thoughts and sights to our beautiful minds.

    http://www.bradleymanning.org/


    Lulu, I understand why you support Manning's actions and oppose his prosecution, and I'm confident that you do so in good faith. But I don't really trust you to offer me the same charity--to acknowledge that my (modest) criticism of Manning is thoughtfully offered, not driven by fear or brainwashing--which makes me hesitant to engage with you on this topic.

    Also, I tend to feel that it's been argued to death and so without some new insight, there's little hope for any meeting of minds.

    PS If you google "anti-soldier poetry" with the quotes, there is one hit--at dagblog.com.


    I appreciate that you believe I support Manning in good faith and while I thank you for saying so I, at the same time, wonder what thoughts, what mind-set, what motives, might anyone hold which would prompted them to proclaim their support for him and to do so in 'bad faith'.
     I am sorry that you think I would see you make a thoughtful argument about this or any other subject and that you would then not trust me to respond fairly to it. Is that how you see my comment history? That said, I do believe that many who support the way Manning has been treated and who thinks he deserves that treatment and then a conviction as a criminal who hurt his country, do so out of a long list of bad or misguided reasons. I also think that a great deal of political hypocracy has been demonstrated positively by many people's stated positions and passively by other's lack of any open disagreement they would otherwise have made in say, 2004, because of the fact that it has been Obama and a Democratic administration at the helm during all this rather than Bush and Chaney. I do not remember you saying, while Manning's situation had its fifteen minutes of interest and we discussed it here, anything that makes me think you guilty of that last charge. I would be surprised if I saw you say something that made me think that, but if you did argue that he was guilty of a crime and deserved punishment then I no doubt argued that your reasons were wrong or insufficient and maybe did so with some emotion.
     If your criticism of Manning is "modest" then how can you not be against his very harsh pre-trial punitive treatment and the attempt to send him to prison for many years? Are there some areas where whistle blowing is off limits no matter the acts being revealed and so anything they do to him is justified. Our government claims his act justifies his execution if that is their choice. I disagree.
     To be clear on one point, I know that some people honestly think Manning did his country a great disservice and he should be punished and many of those same people, along with the leaders actually making the decisions affecting him, want his punishment to send a message. Obviously, I think they are wrong, but I believe the intended message has been heard loud and clear by any unknown potential whistle blowers are out there with incriminating information we should have available, and I also believe the message has had and will continue for a long time to have its intended affect.
     Does the google result indicate that thinking like Fred does in his poem is not just just extremely rare for obvious culturally imposed reasons but also that expressing anything negative that reflects on our soldiers and what their purpose is, is taboo? Soldiers of our enemies or of armies past, hell yeah, but ours? Maybe Chris Hayes has figured out how mild any questioning of the glorified view we hold of our almost sainted, universally heroic soldiers must be.
     


    I don't think that you addressed these critiques at me personally, but on this issue, I have perceived a broad brush approach toward opponents--as if there were but two camps, the supporters and the misguided hypocrites.

    As I (and others) expressed some time ago, I oppose Manning's solitary confinement--as I oppose solitary confinement in general. But I do not see Manning as coming even close to the greatest victim of our flawed legal system, so it's difficult for me to get particularly worked up about his particular case.

    As for whistleblowing, I would put it this way. Military secrets are important--for the security of the country as well as the security of our soldiers. If you feel compelled to violate that secrecy, then you better have a damn good reason for it. If you reveal secrets because the generals are plotting genocide, then you are saint. If you reveal secrets because you sympathize with the enemy, then you are a traitor.

    Manning is somewhere in between. Had he only leaked the video that got it him into so much trouble, I would be more sympathetic. That video did some good, in my opinion. Maybe it was justified the violation. But Manning indiscriminately leaked a lot of other information that did not do much good and seems to have done harm. And for that, he should be punished (though certainly not executed).

    As for anti-soldier poetry, don't you know that no one is anti-soldier?


    While I much agree with you in principle,i haven't seen any serious evidence that what Manning + Wikileaks revealed caused a lot of harm. Inconvenience, some discomforture and embarrassment sure. The Wikileaks vetting via newspapers was very good. Would i recommend a leak a week? Maybe for an external ombudsman - the Manning treatment, the continual overstating success of the surge, the Pat Tillman hype... our military spends more on self-promotion along with its drone and other suppliers. We don't debate the realpolitik that causes us to support Mubarek - maybe necessary, but then we have to define where necessary ends. Manning or other might have done a lot of harm with shoddy data security - but that huge military hole is another issue - China knows more about us than the American public does.

    I think that the cause is more relevant than the harmful consequences. See my response to Lulu.


    I feel I obligated myself to respond even though, as you say, it has all been pretty well hashed out.

    Your perception of me painting with a broad brush would be closer to correct if you saw me as using more than one color for dividing opponents to my views into separate categories.  In your encompassing terms it would be two different categories, the misguided  and the hypocritical. I wouldn’t have used the word “misguided” though to describe those who think Manning a criminal. “Misguided” shifts the blame too much from the person who is wrong and gives them an excuse that diffuses the affect of their error in favor of the true criminals, the guides, so to speak. Our government has tried very hard to misguide us  about our recent and ongoing wars. We have, in too many cases, been wrong to believe what we have been told. We continue to be wrong every time we give them the benefit of the doubt.
     I’m sure I argued both ideas, being wrong and being hypocritical, at the same time though, so I probably deserve a hit for conflating the two charges and insulting some people unjustly as being hypocrites when,IMHO, they were just wrong, very wrong, very much victims of misguidance. Too often willful complacent victims, IMHO.
     Your second paragraph really surprises me although it is the second time I have heard that line of reasoning here at Dag. It is a complete misreading of the reasons that Mannings case is significant. The reasons to get worked up about this particular case, which you find so hard to do, do not rest on the level of abuse dished out to Manning relative to that of others who have suffered miscarriages of justice. It was being a witness to gross amounts of tremendously worse injustice than anything Manning has faced or will face that pushed him to act. It was, in so many cases, willfully planned, plotted, and enacted miscarriages of justice that obligated him to speak out. It was institutionalized injustice. The injustice included many war crimes which are a special category of wrong. Manning’s leaks should have touched our consciences if there is such a thing, if we have such a thing as a conscience, and if acting in good faith guided by that conscience is worth doing in this worldly realm. I know how preachy that sounds but I am an atheist, I'm entitled  and empowered to do so in this country said to be built on Christian values.
     Positions on this subject all come down to value judgments.
     The pathologies of empire and the national-security state grow from our own pathologies of thought and speech and then reinforce those pathologies in a feedback loop.
     Recall when candidate Obama said "government whistleblowers are part of a healthy democracy and must be protected from reprisal”. Now, during his administration, our government that increasingly targets leakers and whistleblowers from its lower and middle ranks is the same government that leaks constantly from the top. It continues to make clear that leaks are okay, as long as they serve the interests of power. If a rule is selectively enforced it ceases to be a rule and becomes something else—an arbitrary instrument of authority, a weapon of the powerful—but not a rule. Or, if it is an arbitrary ruler-protecting rule codified by the very abusers of that rule against what are effectively becoming their subjects, then certainly it is one meant to be justifiably broken.

    Consider the range of stories we’ve seen confirmed by Manning’s leaks. After the White House and the Defense Department reviewed the actual information, they found and stated that the information contained was outdated, already public, or not highly classified. In all that supposedly mundane information we’ve seen American pressure on allies to put counter terrorism policies–both data collection and torture–ahead of democracy. We’ve seen how our troops in Iraq knowingly turned over Iraqis to be tortured. We’ve seen our allies in the Middle East promising to cause democratic elections not to take place. We’ve seen the culture of our leadership, enabled by the culture of our society, institute and enable policies and actions which, among their crimes, are part of turning too many soldiers into the type that makes Fred’s poetic voice correctly say, “I am a soldier, I am dirt”.  

     "Well, it's their fault for bringing kids into a battle," a US pilot can be heard remarking in the July 2007 "Collateral Murder" video after finding that the young children had been critically injured in the attack that murdered their father as he tried to help those still alive after the grizzly attack. An attack that we traveled thousands of miles to take to his hometown, to his children’s hometown, to a place very few of us give a shit about. An attack that our leaders are determined to keep hidden in the fog so as to keep it possible, as well as likely to the point of certainty, to happen again. And again.

    “Government whistleblowers are part of a healthy democracy and must be protected from reprisal”.

      I would vote for a guy who showed that he would do that rather than convincingly demonstrated that it was bullshit campaign rhetoric.

    If Manning had only leaked the video you would be more sympathetic, but would you think him innocent of crime?  He certainly broke the law, the question is whether or not he had sufficient reason to do so. I am of the opinion that what he did was completely justified and should have been very valuable in making a more informed public push our republic towards a better direction. The common citizens of that republic, that is ours if we can keep it, should have taken notice of how we are losing its better nature.

     While I welcome any response, I agree that it has all been hashed out before.


    If he broke the law, he is not innocent, but he may be just. He would be just if a) the law itself were unjust, or b) obeying the law would produce a terrible consequence. The "terrible" modifier is important because for a law to be meaningful, it can't be disregarded every time it produces an unfortunate consequence. By analogy, it's just to break the speed limit when a life is endanger and you're rushing to the hospital. It's not just to break the speed limit when you're late for work even if it doesn't hurt anyone (which is not to say that I don't do it). All this depends on the importance of the law, of course.

    On a), I believe that the law is just and important, though I find the penalty too harsh.

    On b), I believe that the airstrike video was important for Americans to see, and I'm glad we did, but I'm not sure whether it was important enough to justify breaking the law. I do not put it on the same level as the My Lai massacre, say, where I would have no hesitation. As for the other leaked records, I do not believe these were important enough to justify breaking the law.

    But I recognize that other peope weigh these things differently from me. Some people attach such supreme importance to military secrecy that it would take a monumental catastrophe to justify violating it. Others attach so little importance to it that they feel it should be ignored as readily as a speed limit. I find both extremes wrong, but that doesn't mean they're irrational.


    This is a nice summary of the situation and how the various camps view it. 


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