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    Is Cornel West A Judas Goat - When Was The Last Time You Heard Him Attack A Conservative Republican?

    Beneath the Spin * Eric L. Wattree
     

    Is Cornel West A Judas Goat - When Was The Last Time You Heard Him Attack A Conservative Republican?
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    During the 1960s J. Edgar Hoover disrupted the Civil Rights movement by using provocateurs to infiltrate the various civil rights groups and disrupt their activities. The operation was called "Cointelpro." One tactic that was used was to have loud and disruptive Judas goat "super-militants" join the groups and divide the membership by accusing the groups leadership of being weak, or "Uncle Toms." That seems to be the very tactic that Cornel West has been using very effectively every since the 2000 election where he was very effective in helping to get George W. Bush elected.
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    In my previous article, The "Black Prophetic" Mouth of Cornel West is At It Again - And As Usual, Just In Time To Sabotage Democrats In The Upcoming Election, I pointed out the following:
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    After Ralph Nader was rejected for the 2000 presidential nomination by the Democratic voters, instead of acknowledging his rejection and falling into line to help defeat the Republicans, Nader went into a petulant snit and ran as a third party candidate. It was clear that he purposely ran as a third party candidate with the mean-spirited intent of sabotaging the Democratic effort, because third parties never win; the only purpose that third parties ever serve is to help elect the people that you like least, because they divide the vote of like-minded people.
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    Cornel West joined Nader in this foolish - or treacherous, you make the determination - campaign, and as a result, George W. Bush won the election over Al Gore by winning Florida by a mere 537 votes. The Nader/West coalition peeled off 97,488 votes from Gore in Florida alone. So when I say that Cornel West is more than a little responsible for George W. Bush becoming President of the United States, and thus, your current economic condition, don’t take my word for it – you do the math.

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    Most people, if they were sincere, would look at the disastrous results of their activities and be devastated. After all, causing Bush to be elected was the worst possible outcome for everything he’s SUPPOSE to represent. So most people would conclude that they had made a grave error, and that they would never do anything to divide the progressive vote again. But not Cornel West, he tried to team up with Ralph Nader again in the 2012 election against Obama, and do the very same thing. The only thing that stopped him was, this time the people weren’t buying it.
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    In September of 2011 Ralph Nader and Cornel West teamed up yet again to try to sabotage the Democratic Party. They canvassed the country for Democratic opponents to challenge Obama in the primaries. According to Nader, "Without debates by challengers inside the Democratic Party’s presidential primaries, the liberal/majoritarian agenda will be muted and ignored." And he goes on to say, "The one-man Democratic primaries will be dull, repetitive, and draining of both voter enthusiasm and real bright lines between the two parties that excite voters." What he failed to say, however, was it kept the liberal voice solid and united. So if Nader and West had been successful, they would have divided the Democratic Party just enough for Mitt Romney to squeak out a victory, and the nation would now be under conservative leadership. Now, just take a moment and think about what life would have been like for poor people then.
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    Yet, there’s still room to give West the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he’s just politically naive and has more passion than he does common sense. One could say that, I guess, but over the years, too many issues have popped up where West’s position just HAPPENS to coincide with what’s in the best interest of conservatives and the Republican Party - his close association with Tavis Smiley, for example. Smiley just HAPPENS to be the biggest corporate shill in the Black community, and his closest business is with ALEC-connected Walmart, the biggest abuser of the working poor in America. Now is that the kind of association that you would expect from someone who claims to "love" the poor and minorities? I don’t think so.
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    So, what incentive does a high-profile Black man have to turn on his own people and play this Judas Goat role?
    .In his article,"My Republican Party has Abandoned Me," Black Republican activist, Raynard Jackson, says the following:
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    "For many years, I have approached the party and its supporters about underwriting programs to bring together Blacks who are Republican or lean Republican so we can weave them into every facet of the party structure. The answer is always, No! But, twice this year some of these same people have approached me about funding for some election year tricks that they (White Republicans) have conjured up and simply need a Black face to execute the plan. On these two separate occasions, these funders were willing to spend upwards of $20 million to have me organize a national campaign to identify Blacks who would be critical of President Obama." (http://www.freedomsjournal.net/2012/10/31/my-republican-party-has-abandoned-me/).
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    Now, I want to make it clear that I have no evidence whatsoever that West is being paid by the GOP. But with that kind of money up for grabs, everybody bears scrutiny. And in that regard, Conder the following. First, Cornel West helped Bush get elected in the 2000 election, which led to Black misery - at least, additional Black misery - and then he scurried back into his ivory tower to command $30,000 a speech to discuss Black misery. Then, later, he rode all across the country on a bus professing to love poor minorities, while sitting next to a man (Tavis Smiley) who was involved in a scam that caused 30,000 poor minorities to lose their homes and life savings, and that the Justice Department says was the second largest housing discrimination case in the history of this country. Now, he’s telling us that Black misery is Obama's fault!!!? A person would have to be a fool to believe that, but obviously, there's plenty of them out there.
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    Now, anyone who owns a radio or television set knows that Cornel West went to Ferguson, specifically, to get a photo op of himself being arrested, and to publicize the fact that he has a new book out - I’m surprised he didn’t have a copy of it to show the cameras at the arrest site. West seemed to have deep passion for the underclass there in Ferguson, but it didn’t prevent him from waiting until his book came out to join the protest.
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    What many people fail to realize is that Cornel West is the consummate opportunist. Again, West showed great passion in Ferguson, but that’s because he has a new book out, and there’s an election coming up, so the Ferguson arrest gives him more television time to sell his book, and slam the Democrats before the election. He and Tavis Smiley used the EXACT same tactic just before the 2012 elect when they went out on their "Poverty Tour." But after the election, and they had sold they could sell, they essentially dropped off the radar.
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    For example, they were nowhere to be found during the Walmart demonstrations that were being held all across the country - and that was in spit of the fact that one of the demonstrations was being held right down the street from Smiley’s office. Days before the demonstrations, I even challenged them to come and speak-out against Walmart’s abuse of the working poor, and PREDICTED that they weren’t going to show up. The reason I knew they weren’t going to show up was because they were both benefitting from Walmart. So while Cornel West may claim to "love" the poor and downtrodden, there are very specific limits to that love.
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    Now, with a very important election coming up that’s going to determine who’s going to control the United States Senate, West just happened to see fit to publically announce that he didn’t vote in 2012. Is he serious!!!? Doesn’t he realize how many people died for our right to vote? He claims to love the poor, but he would rather NOT vote than to vote against the people who would rather shutdown the government than to provide jobs, affordable healthcare, extended unemployment insurance, and food stamps for the poor? And he claims to hate killing and war, yet, he would rather NOT vote than to vote against the people who lied to go to war, and then killed over a million people in Iraq? Such a position strains the limits of credulity.
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    Doesn’t West have the intelligence to realize that there is no such thing as not voting, and that failing to vote for one side is a vote for the other? I think he does - I think he understands that fact very well - that’s why he said it. There are two ways for the GOP to win an election, by either getting MORE Republicans to vote, or getting more Democrats NOT to vote - and that’s EXACTLY what Cornel West has been doing EVERY election since he helped to get George W. Bush elected - dividing the Democratic vote. It’s happening so often, and so consistently, it’s beginning to look like it's his assigned role.
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    So one of two things have to be at work here - either West knows exactly what he’s doing and is scamming the people, or he’s the dumbest so-called intellectual that the Black community has ever produced. But either way, he’s not a person that anyone with sense would want to listen to.
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    Eric L. Wattree
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    Religious bigotry: It's not that I hate everyone who doesn't look, think, and act like me - it's just that God does.

    Comments

    Eric, your attempt to rewrite history to justify your Fractured Fairytale attacks on Brother Cornel is failing as usual.

    Al Gore won the 2000 election and it was the Supremes who stole the election and anointed Bush as our Glorious Leader. Get over it and move on to the problems we face today with Obama starting another War that may be the true Clash Of Civilizations. Cornel West's criticisms of Obama have little if any affect on his policies and Obama's degenerate legacy is his own creation.

    You, an Iraq War vet, know what awaits US troops if they return to the ME only this time they will face a much larger, better trained, battle hardened and well equipped adversary. Our Ruling Class with Obama at their head is leading us to a possible Armageddon and few people seem to care or have any ability to stop the madness.


    Peter,

    George W. Bush won the election over Al Gore by winning Florida by a mere 537 votes. The Nader/West coalition peeled off 97,488 votes from Gore in Florida alone. So if it hadn’t been for Nader and West, the election wouldn’t have even been close enough to have to be sent to the Supreme Court in the first place. Don’t take my word for it – you do the math. It never ceases to  amaze me how people will try to contort truth to try to make it fit comfortably into their contrived view of reality.

    Regarding Cornel West War and Drones

    When Tavis Smiley and Cornel West began to lose the confidence of the Black community, they tried to broaden their constituency by refocusing their criticism of President Obama from poverty to the war in Afghanistan. Time.com reported West as saying in 2012 that he didn’t vote. "I couldn’t vote for a war criminal," he said, calling Obama’s administration a "drone presidency."

    While I don't like killing machines either, I've had to take into account the fact that Obama is charged with the responsibility of seeing to it that Al Qaeda, or any other terrorist group, don’t manage to get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. And let us not forget that they located Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan living comfortably, and casually, within the shadow of that arsenal. So while West would have us believe that Obama is in Afghanistan just killing people for the hell of it, or for the oil companies, that’s a myth. He’s trying to make sure that YOUR family is not blown up by angry religious fanatics who think that God will bless them if they blow up the United States.

    So while war, and killing, is an ugly business, it is very much a reality in the world we live in. So as I see it, if we have to lob missiles into an area filled with innocent people - since hiding behind human shields seems to be the terrorists' preferred mode of defense - the drone is a far better alternative than simply firing missiles and such blindly.

     

    Consider this. If you were an Afghan and lived next door to a terrorist, would want to have someone blindly firing missiles in your direction, possibly taking out your home and family, or maybe even the entire town just to get one man, or would you rather they sent in drones with television cameras where they can specifically target the person they’re after? One drone pilot said that they even wait for the target’s family to leave the house before they fire a missile to take out the target. So the fact is, if you have to go to war, drones often SAVE lives.

    So what is West jumping up and down about? This is one of the reasons that I often question the popular belief that West has such a powerful intellect. It’s one thing to have the ability to remember and regurgitate the words of dead White men, and yet another to be able to think for yourself and connect the dots. So on this issue, West is either grossly uninformed, has an inability to connect the dots, or he’s purposely trying to mislead the people  (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/us/drone-pilots-waiting-for-a-kill-shot-7000-miles-away.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&).


    Eric, after all the years you served in the military you can't still believe the BS about precision munitions and smart bombs. The numerous incidents of Bug Splat exposes the lie of who is being targeted, anything that moves. For PR reasons, after the exposure of these War Crimes, Obama et al tried to sooth the public by promising to be better at their killing. The practice of double-taps is still used I believe so the intentional killing of civilians continues.

    Now with the War on the Islamic State the gloves are off and Obama publicly stated that the restrictions or any considerations about killing civilians are not to be honored, kill em all and let Allah sort em out.

    Cornel West is really a weak and meek voice calling out in the Wilderness Of Death that we all inhabit with little of the fire and resolve that Malcolm or Martin displayed, he voted for Obama!  Do you think that either of these great men would stand silent while this evil is perpetuated on the Other.


    Peter,

    First, I think for myself. I didn't agree with everything Malcolm and Martin said either. Malcolm said that "The Black community was chumps for voting 80% Democratic," and he was a follower of another man. That alone gives me pause. As for Martin, he was a Christian minister, and any man who professes to believing in talking snakes also gives me pause. So while I applaud both men for their dedication, that doesn't mean that I blindly embrace everything they said and everything they said and didn't.  That's why we're having problems in this country - we have far too many hero worshippers running around here, and far too few independent thinker.

    For the past 35 years the American people have been being "edge-ucated" - or brought to the edge of a legitimate education. They've been taught WHAT to think, not HOW to think. They've been taught just enough to fall in line behind the status quo and operate war machines, but they clear haven't been taught how to assess facts and connect dots for themselves - and that's what a true education is all about. Most of Cornel West's most avid fans don't know a thing about him other than they've been TOLD that he's suppose to be brilliant.  That's how and why society is so easily manipulated. People allow others to tell them who to listen to.

    But I have to be one of the world's greatest authorities on both Tavis Smiley and Cornel West. I've been researching them for over 6 years, and I've written well over 30 articles on them. I'm contacted by journalists across the country all the time, as part of their routine research when they're doing a story on them, and I'm telling you that BOTH of them are among the biggest frauds in this country.

    And regarding West voting for Obama.  He did not:

    "Now, with a very important election coming up that’s going to determine who’s going to control the United States Senate, West just happened to see fit to publicly announce that he didn’t vote in 2012. Is he serious!!!? Doesn’t he realize how many people died for our right to vote? He claims to love the poor, but he would rather NOT vote than to vote against the people who would rather shutdown the government than to provide jobs, affordable healthcare, extended unemployment insurance, and food stamps for the poor? And he claims to hate killing and war, yet, he would rather NOT vote than to vote against the people who lied to go to war, and then killed over a million people in Iraq? Such a position strains the limits of credulity.
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    "Doesn’t West have the intelligence to realize that there is no such thing as not voting, and that failing to vote for one side is a vote for the other? I think he does - I think he understands that fact very well - that’s why he said it. There are two ways for the GOP to win an election, by either getting MORE Republicans to vote, or getting more Democrats NOT to vote - and that’s EXACTLY what Cornel West has been doing EVERY election since he helped to get George W. Bush elected - dividing the Democratic vote. It’s happening so often, and so consistently, it’s beginning to look like it's his assigned role.
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    "So one of two things have to be at work here - either West knows exactly what he’s doing and is scamming the people, or he’s the dumbest so-called intellectual that the Black community has ever produced. But either way, he’s not a person that anyone with sense would want to listen to."


    Eric, thank you for correcting my erroneous assumption about Cornel West voting for Obomba, this news reaffirms West's standing IMO as a principled advocate for justice and equality.

    Withholding one's vote is the last remaining act that people can exercise in our dead democracy  and it must be a very difficult decision to make for any Black citizen for some of the reasons you list.

    The Boycott Elections movement is growing and not voting doesn't add a vote to anyones tally it just allows people to shun our corrupt system not just one particular politician.

    Have you considered joining the protests in Ferguson?  The FBI is tracking  "Outside Agitators" there because like terrorists they might return to their homes and spread deviant ideology and resistance so be aware if you do go.

     


    Did you really just call the President "Obomba"? That speaks volumes.


    Nobody "died for my right to vote" - they may have died to uphold a significantly democratic system called the United States, but that contains dozens or hundreds of factors to make it a democracy and worth dying for, not just a vote. Some may think the "land of opportunity" as more the reason they fought than voting, others might be inspired by the flag... Whatever floats your boat - "do it for the troops" is not an extremely intelligent argument for how (or if) to vote, if I recall my reaction when Sarah Palin framed things this way.

    Did you know the Communists would chase people across the fields to make sure they voted on election day, just so they could show 100% approval of the system? (yes, friends have told me these personal anecdotes).

    My freedom of religion includes my freedom to have no religion or it means little to nothing. Same with voting. The Communists can easily field 2 columns of despicable petty bureaucratic tyrants, and even allow a smattering of "3rd party nonaligned". As long as they're either pre-approved (like Beijing's trying to do with Hong Kong) or have no chance in hell, it's a pretty sad "right" to participate in such a system.

    And with Citizen's United, it's even more guaranteed that I can do little effective within a system run by bankers and industrialists at a pay-to-play level far beyond my capacity.

    So boycotting a stacked, manipulative system has long been an effective tool in the toolchest - not the only tool, and in life, we often can't be sure one tactic is better than a 2nd, but yeah, it's valid. It's even one Hong Kong citizens are using against Beijing, and one that the Crimean Tatars are using against Putin.

    I guess it's another case of American exceptionalism why we're not supposed to use obvious responses to obvious situations. By the way, my father served decades in the military, and he stopped donating and voting when he found out the Republicans were fucktards who'd slash needed education for the poor and not-so-poor before they'd raise taxes - you want to go tell him some soldier died so that he has to vote, and deal with the punch in the face?

    Oh, did I mention Obama is Teh Awesomist? Hope someone's paying you very well to write all this repetitive character assassination and hagiographic leader crap - though as the Communists found out, the people don't really believe all the "Great Leader" personality cult propaganda they churn out, and the average Joe/Kim/Ivan just tunes it out or it becomes grist for cynical underground humor.


    The voting argument is an apples and oranges situation. If people decide that they want to protest by staying home or by voting for a third party candidate, that may frustrate those who support a given political party. In both situations the person maintains the freedom to vote or stay home. It is literally true that no one died for their right to vote.

    For Black voters, there were barriers put in place to prevent them from voting. There are examples like Schwerner, Chaney, and Goodman who died attempting to register voters. There is the example of Viola Liuzzo who sacrificed her life fighting for the vote for all. This brutal legacy echoes today in the form of non-existent voter fraud used as a smokescreen to put onerous voter IDs in place to prevent a targeted segment of the population from voting.

    There were poll taxes put in place to keep Blacks from voting. There were literacy tests used to prevent voting. This has been replaced by requiring voters to travel for many miles from their homes to pay for the proper forms of 

    There is no voter fraud to support the trampling on voting rights, Gun permits are a valid form of ID but student IDs are not. People are free to protest by staying home. People are free to protest trampling of the right to vote.


    There were literacy tests used to prevent voting.

    Have you ever considered, literacy tests were a tool, to prevent manipulation 

    Do we not ask of those, who would drive our roads to know certain information. So as to screen out those who have no business driving.

    Would it be too much to ask that a prospective voter would know elementary things about important issues. 

    Rather than voting for the color of ones skin or any other reason, lacking a clear sense of the realities.

    The preacher says I should "vote for so and so"  and so they do. not because they have studied the matter and concluded this particular candidate is superior.

    Why not buy the voter a drink and take him to the polls.

    The carpet baggers knew how to capitalize on the ignorance, of those who had power but little knowledge, easily misled to do the will of the manipulators.

    Power in the hands of foolish politicians is why we have so much trouble in solving our problems.

    Who put them in power? Fools  

    On November 6, 1875, Hiram Revels, a Mississippi Republican and the first African-American U.S. Senator, wrote a letter to U.S. President Ulysses S. Grant that was widely reprinted. Revels denounced Ames and Northerners for manipulating the Black vote for personal benefit, and for keeping alive wartime hatreds:

    Since reconstruction, the masses of my people have been, as it were, enslaved in mind by unprincipled adventurers, who, caring nothing for country, were willing to stoop to anything no matter how infamous, to secure power to themselves, and perpetuate it.....

    My people have been told by these schemers, when men have been placed on the ticket who were notoriously corrupt and dishonest, that they must vote for them; that the salvation of the party depended upon it; that the man who scratched a ticket was not a Republican. This is only one of the many means these unprincipled demagogues have devised to perpetuate the intellectual bondage of my people.... The bitterness and hate created by the late civil strife has, in my opinion, been obliterated in this state, except perhaps in some localities, and would have long since been entirely obliterated, were it not for some unprincipled men who would keep alive the bitterness of the past, and inculcate a hatred between the races, in order that they may aggrandize themselves by office, and its emoluments, to control my people, the effect of which is to degrade them.

     Carpetbagger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Those with sound reasoning are not easily enslaved. Why shouldn't there be a test before bestowing power to those, not sound or unknowledgeable? 


    Yes, it is too much. The right to vote has nothing to do with whether you can read, or whether you can pass a test on the Constitution. We have the right to vote because we are citizens and human beings. I don't think African-Americans were being manipulated after the war--they voted their interests, as other people do--and even if they had been, that was no excuse for disenfranchising them. And what does Resistance think of the fact that whites were exempted from the literacy tests?(the grandfather clause).


    We wouldn't have had a Bush win over Gore, if the people would have read the ballot directions to Remove the Chad completely.

    An intelligent electorate should trump the Right to vote, Why should a nation be forced to suffer because of ignorance? 

    In that particular instance, The right to vote was in no way indicative of the peoples will, nor was it the best direction for our country.

    The uneducated who couldn't read or follow simple directions, doomed our Nation.

    But hey, "they had the right to vote"

    How much better Americas direction might have turned if a literacy test had been given 

    Question:  Do you know what it means to Remove the Chad completely, so your vote will count? . 

    Would this simple test suppress the vote or would it assure the best results?


    And what does Resistance think of the fact that whites were exempted from the literacy tests?(the grandfather clause).

    It is not equal justice. The law should have been applied to all, equally.

    There would still be calls, that it unfairly discriminates. even though all sincere attempts at fairness would be attempted. 

    So are we to be trapped in a system, that doesn't try for an educated electorate, to make the more important decisions affecting the course WE, who are trying to perfect the Union? 

    How do you make a more perfect Union, with an acceptance of a substandard quality, namely illiteracy, that by it's nature,  thwarts reasoned discourse?


    You can't make a more perfect union by denying people their most elementary rights. Anyway, the literacy tests rarely tested literacy(which should not be a condition for voting), they were a series of trivia questions on government, and they were made as difficult as possible, with the INTENTION that people fail them.


    When you suggest things such as literacy tests being a good thing, it really makes me suspect that you're just Colberting.


    It is not a new thought on placing restrictions on who can vote.

    The US founding fathers considered land ownership as a prerequisite for voting,

    Our forefathers were not blind to the characteristics of those arriving on the shores of America.

    They knew the potential for mischief by the have not’s or the less than industrious.

    Or is it not PC to realize, there are some who will never be industrious; idlers by nature, preferring to be sluggards. They’ll tell you “Why of course, Tax the landowners” they knowing the tax won’t hurt them, because they are not landowners and never would be.

    "Thank you for the right to vote, for who'll be burdened" 

    Some would rather remain criminals than to do an honest day’s work, and if asked to vote on who should pay for their care, why of course the landowners should.

    Today we see those who have been on welfare for generations, vote themselves benefits; knowing full well, they’ll never be burdened with picking up the tab

    "The land of milk and honey for everyone", and for them it’s free, For you "Pay up"   

    “More caviar if they could get some please and bring me your best bottle of wine, since someone else is paying for it”

    You see it all the time, when a school bond is up for a vote; why of course we need to spend money on schools; just not theirs and that new road; of course tax the gas users, Great idea,  for they’ll just ride their bikes and avoid the tax, but they’ll use the road though.

    Consider the idea of more public transportation, Overwhelming support or just 51%?   Ask Joe citizen who should pay for this benefit and they’ll say; “Of course, but tax the other guy” 


    So you have no problem with the Ryan budget that lowers taxes on the wealthy and shifts the burden to the middle class because the wealthy own more valuable land?

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/tax-reform/news/2012/03/20/11304/...


    So Resistance wants to restrict the franchise in order to eliminate the social welfare state. Not surprising that someone who doesn't care what happens to the poor also wants to deny them the vote. Anyway, some of the members of the lower orders he seems to despise DO pay taxes. Hey, since Resistance opposes democracy, maybe he favors the divine right of kings--a Christian concept.

     I don't believe that families have been on welfare "for generations". Does R have evidence for this?  And welfare now has a work requirement.


    Jesus focused on the poor, Christians heed his words. Resistance rejects them.

    http://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_and_the_poor


    Christians are fully aware of the deceptive nature of the opposer and his servants, who will do anything to discredit Gods servants . 

    I know your accusations are meant to deceive others, of the condition of my heart. 

    I have repeatedly stated, I will not be enslaved to serve Your Personal Cause's or the poor you choose that I should serve. 

    I have never told anyone they couldn't be charitable and I have never prevented others from serving the needs of others they choose.  

    To suggest otherwise, is a lie. 


    Cut the nonsense. You spew venom upon the poor, not Christian love. 

    You live in fear of the flesh and cannot submit to the peace of the spirit ushered in by Jesus' Good News.

    You reject the fact that faith without works is dead

    You do not represent Christian authority, you are operating on your own personal belief system,


    Venom? 


    Yes venom. You call them lazy and not worthy of a vote.


    You reject the fact that "faith without works is dead"

    Evidently, you have no idea about what works were commanded and in doing so, you promote a system that is in opposition to that work.

    Your faith, relies upon human endeavors and not Christ's Kingdom 

    My faith is in Jesus ability and promises to deliver us from the one controlling the Whole World  

    e They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and f the world listens to them. We are from God. g Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know h the Spirit of truth and i the spirit of error. 1 John 4:5-6

    Instead YOU focus on building up the World governments / 'kingdoms, the world rulers.

    Putting your faith and directing others, to follow YOU in your works.

    Essentially, misdirecting yourself and others, to put faith; in what is going to be destroyed. ( A spirit of error) 

    44 And in the days of those kings b the God of heaven will set up c a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. d It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and c it shall stand forever,  Daniel 2:44


    You are incorrect.Christins are called to directly intervene. Christianity is not easy.Your faith is easy because it requires nothing of you other than to judge others and be in despair. How can you be a Christain and remain is despair and fear, rather than rejoice in the freedom of Christianitty? 

    You see doom rather than solutions. The influenza epidemic was not the end of the world. The polio epidemic was not the end of the world.SARSwas not the end of the world. Enterovirus D68 is not the end of the world. Ebola is not the end of the world. 

    Rejoice


    While you sit and pray and do nothing else, others are treating the sick, a Christian duty. Still others are working on preparing plasma infusions and vaccines. Your prayers will be answered by humans through God-inspired knowledge. Ebola will not magically disappear, but it will be controlled.

     


    Once again

    Matthew 25:35-40King James Version (KJV)

    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

     

    Show us where we are instructed to disenfranchise the poor, turn our heads during slavery or Jim Crow.


    Brothers would have the same Father. 

    John 8:43-44


    See reply below


     And welfare now ?????

    Is that an admission of past failures? 

    Work

     For even when we were with you, we would give you this command:

     b If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. 

    11 For we hear that some among you c walk in idleness, not busy at work, but d busybodies. 2 Thessalonians 3:10-11

    Giving Aid

    28 Let the thief no longer steal, but rather y let him labor, z doing honest work with his own hands,

    so a that he may have something to share with anyone in need. Ephesians 4:28


    You slander those who may still be unemployed. There is a 3:1 ratio between job applicants and available jobs. In fact when we consider those employed in the fast food industry, the wages are so low that government assistance is required. Should these workers starve or go without medical care? Stop the slander

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/09/unemployed-job-opening_n_356864...

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-do-mcdonalds-workers-really-make...


    Stop with the mis-characterizations of my position.

    There is nothing wrong with people who are truly needy and they qualify; to receive government assistance or aid. 

    This is just more of your attempts to judge me as unrighteous, according to YOUR standards..


    Look at what you wrote about voting. You wrote of disenfranchisement. The founders were wise enough not to limit the vote to only landed gentry. They failed on the issue of women's suffrage and slavery.


    The founders were wise enough not to limit the vote to only landed gentry

    I never said they weren't wise.  I gave examples that might have led to their earlier reasoning on the matter. 

    It was you that got your pants all knotted up.  Trying to incite trouble.


    Now Resistance says he wants the needy to get government assistance. A while ago he was ranting about them living off the taxpayers.

     The current welfare system seems to work better than the old one, but that doesn't mean there was nothing good about the old one. Gingrich's original plan was to simply eliminate welfare and send the kids to orphanages.


    He is not man enough to own up to his words. He blames other for actually reading and repeating back to him what he wrote.


     A while ago he was ranting about them living off the taxpayers.

    Who do the needy live off of, if not for charitable persons or taxpayers?  You attack me for pointing out a reality? 


     You were clearly objecting to the reality that the poor are getting help from public funds. Why else were you grousing about people "getting" a lot and "never having to pay the bill". Of course, many people who do have jobs get some kind of help from the government; they are part of the forty-seven percent. (not that unemployed people don't deserve help).


    Was there some special right bestowed upon the needy, to force a Tax upon others to provide more than sustenance and covering?  

    We as a nation are now attempting to provide for healthcare for all  but are not so sure it can be paid for. without breaking the bank. 

    There is this notion, the people will just force the rich to pay and they will do it under compulsion.

    Now I don't know what fantasy world your living in; but I've seen nothing in our history,where the rich will just open their purses, to satisfy every wish and desire others may have.  

    Hey Mc Fly....  It isn't going to happen.  

    So as to not be a burden upon others in our needy condition, we wont force anything upon anyone else, who works to provide for their families   

    8 But e If we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.

    1 Timothy 6:8

    Serf to Barron's: "So please consider our humble plea; is it to much to ask for food and clothing?"

    To which we might find, the rich will accept, but if not, and we start making more demands for more Tax money; what then will we needy serfs do, if the rich Barron's decide to remove their support, for even these essential requirements? 

    They have already sent a warning. The Barron's will muster all their powerful allies, to shut down the discontent, of those who sought more from them, and lost.

    Telling the serfs and their task masters; "Let them build bricks without straw" Give them Bread and water.  


    So after saying he cares about the poor, Resistance has gone back to his original stance: complaining that the poor are getting the tax money of the rich.

      We aren't asking the rich to "satisfy every wish and desire", we are asking them to pay their fair share to preserve the basic services of a civilized society, and to prevent the poor from suffering more from hunger, bad housing, and lack of heating than they already do. And what about people's tax dollars going to pay for subsidies to big business; do you blame the rich for accepting that?

    Resistance quoted the verse about good works, but his version of Christianity doesn't seem to require him to do anything but pray; what about love for his brothers and sisters?


    It is not a new thought on placing restrictions on who can vote.

    No, it is not. Which is precisely my point. How can you not be aware of all that has been written on the topic? Assuming you're being serious, to suggest that literacy tests might be a good thing suggests that you are completely unaware of the history of literacy tests.

    Are you completely unaware of this history? Would you benefit from some links to good reading on the topic?

    Or, are you aware, and just don't care?


    Resistance will claim that he did not write what he actually wrote. He will claim you are mis-characterizing his words. What are you going to believe, your lying eyes or his backtracking double-speak?


    Maybe the test should be for color blindness?

    What part of red ink do the spenders not understand. 

    17 trillion in debt, will enslave us to the creditors.

    Is that illiteracy or ignorance?

    Still the fools want to know why, we must carry the yoke of Corporations.


    The upper 1% pays a lower tax rate than the middle class and you want to disenfranchise the poor so the wealthy can avoid more taxes? Perhaps if corporations were not doing tax avoidance, the debt would be lower.After all corporations are people too, why aren't they taxed at a people rate?


    Hows that plan working out for us?

    More of your fantasizing? More of your false hope in mankind's abilities to produce a just system ?  


    3 out of 10, with the score being that good, because it did appear to cause some distraction.

    Nevertheless, it's quite obvious that you are avoid my questions.


    More attacks. 

    I haven't the time to address every thing you write especially when I am busy addressing others and tending to other more pressing needs.

    Allowing you to discredit me because I didn't address you questions? 

    Sir ; addressing your questions is not my priority. 

    The upper 1% pays a lower tax rate than the middle class and you want to disenfranchise the poor so the wealthy can avoid more taxes?

    Who uses most of the revenue collected from taxation? The rich, the middle class; or the poor, who can't possibly be expected to pay?

    That shifts the burden onto the middle class who are lumped together with the poor as the biggest percentage of beneficiaries, of government assistance.  

    Conservatives by nature, strive for self sufficiency and expect it of others.    

    Perhaps if corporations were not doing tax avoidance, the debt would be lower.

    Doh! As I stated earlier,  hows that working out for you and the rest of us, to reverse this obvious disparity?  

    After all corporations are people too, why aren't they taxed at a people rate?

    Surely you're not that unaware of our present corrupt and unjust system.

    It is fantasizing, to believe this trend will be reversed?  

    But it sure makes for good class warfare, to keep the working class fighting for a false hope.

    Some possibilities are highly improbable; as is the expectation, that the corruption of politics and government, by money, will end. 

    For it is true 

    10 For the love of money is a root of i all kinds of evils. ….

    1 Timothy 6:10


    The topic was literacy tests. I'm not sure what that has to do with corporations and the 1%, other than they would typically side with you in supporting literacy tests..


    Resistance thought that my post about corporation was yours.

    Interestingly, he has previously instructed us that a serf or slave should be happy with the situation. He now seems to be personally upset about being a slave/serf.


    This is exactly why I sometimes wonder if he's just pretending to hold the views he espouses. That would explain why he has a hard time remembering just what his views are.


    You may be correct. It would seem that the act has worn thin for many.


    Well excuse me, I did get confused because an antagonist with nothing to add to the discussion other than insults, interjected themselves into our conversation.

    As I said earlier I have been distracted and distraught; thinking about a good friend, who had a major accident with serious injuries. So I am tired and particularly tired of the antagonism during this period. 

    Maybe another time,we can have a mature discussion.


    Those with sound reasoning are not easily enslaved. Why shouldn't there be a test before bestowing power to those, not sound or unknowledgeable? 

    This is really exquisite coming from someone who confronts any attempt to restrict the ownership of guns as the mark of oppression incarnate.

    Weekend Libertarians are the worst kind. They insist on their right to do as they wish on some days and then complain about the terrible license to sin provided to people upon others.


    someone who confronts any attempt to restrict the ownership of guns as the mark of oppression incarnate.

    It is written into the Constitution as a guarantee,  I didn't put it there, but who am I to try to usurp the law, others were adamant about protecting, even if I should disagree. 

    Just because a few enterprising folks, decide they don't feel it necessary, doesn't give them the right to overthrow the intent of the Constitutional law. 

    You could have just as easily have said this about any Constitutional right 

    someone who confronts any attempt to restrict the

    law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning .    as the mark of oppression incarnate.

    First Amendment 

    I would feel threatened and would hope others would also confront those, who would undermine and usurp the First Amendment,

    What good is a guarantee, if each successive generation, decided to not honor the guarantee?  Shall we dissolve the Union that was built upon the foundation of guarantees.

    Proving that government couldn't be trusted after all, to honor it's laws.

    then complain about the terrible license to sin provided to people upon others.

    I don't understand what you are trying to say.

    Are you saying rights are abused? Therefore; there should be no rights because they can be abused?   

    I don't understand what your trying to say Moat


    You propose conditioning the right to vote with a literacy test. In such a polity, the essential activity of citizenship will require a license. Like all licenses, whether they permit one to hunt game, drive a car, or perform heart surgery, an agency of some kind will have to be authorized with the power to grant or deny them. In many of your arguments, you speak of the evils of such centralized control of secular activities. When you wax rhapsodic about the futility of human institutions to save mankind from mankind, the premise of government itself is depicted as the harlot in the employ of the Evil One.  Therefore, your argument that society would be better regulated if an agency was formed to determine who deserves the privilege to be a citizen does not conform with the rest of your political philosophy.


    When you wax rhapsodic about the futility of human institutions to save mankind from mankind, the premise of government itself is depicted as the harlot in the employ of the Evil One.

    That very thought was on our forefathers minds. They didn’t trust governments either, for they too recognized the evils, which had destroyed earlier civilizations and governments.

    They were learned men, well aware of how the spread of Catholicism and the persecution of other religions,brought unspeakable horrors upon Nations and how defenseless their victims were.

    From my perspective, those in opposition of this single religious order wouldn’t have been allowed to translate the Bible, with the knowledge of certain death to those who violated the law imposed.  Our forefathers knew this knowledge too

    The people of Earth would have had to accept the so called Truth, from only one source; with Latin as the official language of the sacred secrets.  How convenient in controlling information.

    That source easily controlled, by one wicked spirit, the adversary and his minions, stifling the knowledge of God.

    Our forefathers believed, that governments restrained, would allow necessary order for a civil society.  But at the same time, trying to keep the machinations of the evil one at bay

    The Forefathers were always fearful and recommending that following generations, jealously guard the Constitution; the instrument they intended our peoples to use, to keep the evil one restrained,  from taking complete authority.   

    the premise of government itself is depicted as the harlot in the employ of the Evil One.

    The evil one has never given up trying to employ the Worlds governments and with the help of adulterous religious leaders and their political allies, they would wish to rid the World of Gods servants.  

    These adulterous religious leaders will be used until such time, they are no longer needed.

    Our forefather knew this too.

    If there is any doubt as to what I say isn’t true, read the writings of some of our devout forefathers.

    Therefore, your argument that society would be better regulated if an agency was formed to determine who deserves the privilege to be a citizen does not conform with the rest of your political philosophy

    As I posted earlier, people voting for a candidate that their minister or preacher says to vote for, or the political candidate says we need to overturn the Second amendment is a weakness the evil one could try to exploit,

    The right to vote might be our downfall. Best to keep your Constitutional safeguards.  


    We will just have to continue agreeing to disagree about the religious convictions of the "Forefathers." Perhaps you can post your own blog about that and invite discussion of the matter on your own terms.

    But your reply does suggest that I have represented your point of view accurately enough to sustain the observation that your promotion of yet another instrument of government standing between citizens and the work of self government contradicts the low opinion you have for government agencies in general.

    The right to vote might be our downfall. Best to keep your Constitutional safeguards.  

    The experiment of self government by the people is risky. It could fail. But if it does, the Constitution won't be protecting anything any longer.


    Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?

    And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

    Avalon Project - Washington's Farewell Address 1796

    2.6 Religion

    What does the immoral evil one care about morality? 

    But if it does, the Constitution won't be protecting anything any longer.

    Exactly, Self government would be replaced with self - preservation.

    The intent of the Second Amendment. in recognition of the most basic right of man. 

    promotion of yet another instrument of government standing between citizens and the work of self government 

    What other option do the people have?

    Some order is always better than disorder.

    Until the Lords kingdom arrives perfect order and governance is impossible

    But it would be foolish to put hope in an imperfect system,  and no amount of sincerity will ever make it perfect.

    There is only one who is perfect.and he isn't going to fix this government; he has a better plan. 


    Your reply does not address the contradictions I charged that you were entertaining in regards to the consequences of disenfranchising a segment of the population through the instrument of Law.

    You have explained why you believe what you believe many times. I understand your message and where it comes from in the context of religious expression and thinking. We have read many of the same books. The history of the interpretations of religious texts is interesting and important. My challenge to explain the contradiction in your writing has nothing to do with your testimony of faith.

    We live in the same city. There is only one city now. If you don't believe any of the policy changes made in how things are done are going to matter in the end, why suggest any changes at all?

    That is the essential contradiction. The rest is just chasing squirrels up a tree.

     


    We live in the same city. There is only one city now. If you don't believe any of the policy changes made in how things are done are going to matter in the end, why suggest any changes at all?

    Have I ever suggested a policy change, I don’t recall

    If asking for Bible principles to be applied as a policy, in weighing all matters of governance. I.e.  In the way rulers govern or the way people should treat one another; with a view to NOT BE Displeasing to God/ higher authority and a more law abiding and just system of society  is the result;  Is that a policy change?

    As Washington wrote, we need the pillar (the policy) of religious values and that comes from knowledge.

    If this is a policy changing attempt, do you for one minute believe it will be successful and that corruption and injustice will be eliminated?  Because the people changed policies?

    In which case I say NO; the corruption is to deeply entrenched and injustice rules, I don’t see anything other than more false promises to eliminate this cancer.

    All of these promises of policy change by politicians and those who support them are just false hope.

    Meant to keep the masses engaged in….. Change they can believe in and every other electioneering slogan.  While things keep going from bad to worse; as foretold

    The majority of the electorate are the squirrels chasing up the trees, but I would characterize the majority of the electorate, as lemmings; oblivious to the reality and don't see the approaching calamity as they are led into the abyss.


    You are beyond conversation. You argue for something and abandon it like a forgotten child.

    Farewell.


    Was it the use of my term Lemming? 


    This is so ridiculous. LOL but believe what you want. Cornel and Ralph Nader have done more for this country than Obama or Al Gore or George W. Bush. Partisan politics is so stupid - our best presidents and worst presidents have been from both parties - Eisenhower and Clinton did their best to avoid major conflict and make society more equitable and prosperous while Johnson, Nixon, Bush and Obama ceded to the military industrial complex. I don't understand people who think politics is about a party or a candidate. I'm especially perplexed by where you are coming from. Most of your writing is coming from a perspective that seeks to empower the African American community, correct? You are aware that the Obama administration spent the last 5 years keeping the police state started after 9/11 until it has reached the worst it's ever been? Are we supposed to stop noticing that trend because Barack Obama is doing it and then act like Ferguson happened out of a vacuum?

    BTW I don't know if you know but Nader is hanging out with Grover Norquist and Ron Paul these days. Possible future blog post subject? smiley


    The Obama administration has lowered penalties fro Fedral drug crimes and is fighting Gop sponsored voter suppression. Can' you tell us what Cornel West had done that trumps these facts?

    Rand Paul will not fight voter suppression or the War on Women. Why Are we supposed to cheer Ralph Nader associating with Rand Paul.


    Ron Paul and his son are similar but aren't the same person.


    What is Rand Paul's view on abortion

    What is Rand Paul's view on voter suppression ( depends on the audience)

    Rand had a White Supremacist on his staff


    Here is a link noting some of the problems with Rand Paul http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/14/rand-paul-s-bill-maher-...

    I did not mis-type

    ​Here is Dr West interviewing his "Dear Brother" Rand Paul

    https://www.facebook.com/drcornelwest/posts/10153297837870111

     

     


    Neither Rand Paul, Ralph Nader nor Cornel West have any power to  affect anything in our degenerate and corrupt system. They are useful during election seasons to perpetuate the illusion of choice for the rubes to rally around and point to.

    Rand Paul claims to want the troops brought home, could that be so they can put down the rebellions and race riots his Libertarian Distopia will create or is already creating?

    Ralph Nader did, during the '60s, actually have some useable power but he was effectively neutered by the mid '70s, His reform agenda has been rejected and ignored since then leaving him to make these strange alliances that produce nothing.

    Cornel West has a very heavy load to bear because he not only faces the White racist power structure but also the Black Misleadership Class and their minions for simply stating that The Emperor Has No Clothes.

    It may appear that there are insurmountable obstacles to  regaining control and power in our pseudo democracy but the first step has to be to stop supporting our own domination by the PTB.

     

     


    We don't live in Utopia. Wow thanks for the info. There have been worse times in the US, so if you think there is no hope, you would have been suicidal in the stock market crash and the Great Depression. We can work our way out of the era of Corporations as homo sapien. It will take time. People have not given up.

    The young generation is active in the Dream Defenders, Moral Mondays, and Ferguson among other places. People are fighting voter suppression, homophobia, misogyny and a host of other issues. The struggle continues.


    We can work our way out of the era of Corporations as homo sapien.

    You must believe they are weak or have a chink in their armor?  

    Every step you take to reign them in, they have already planned the counter offensive. 

    They control every aspect of governance; media, judiciary,legislative and executive. including financial control.

    They will never serve us, we serve them.

    That is the relationship of the Masters and the Slaves   

    It is futility, to direct your attentions and life, to such fantasies, of believing we can work our way out of enslavement to corporations.

    No; we don't have to jump out of windows; because we have the knowledge  we can pray for deliverance, out of the hands of those, who would enslave us to a life of submission, under their unjust and corrupt rule.

    The only real hope, is the Kingdom / government  Jesus spoke of.

    Only then, will mankind be truly set free.

    Not by homo sapiens, but by angelic power. 


    James 2:14-26New King James Version (NKJV)

    Faith Without Works Is Dead

    14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a]works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

    25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

     

    Hom sapiens who fight voter suppression are doing their Biblical duty. If you accept literacy tests and onerous voter ID laws even though you admit they are not fair, you think that your faith alone is all that is required. You are incorrect.


    Why do you fight against the truthfulness of the scriptures?. In no way did Jesus tell his followers any such notion

    Fighting voter suppression is not a biblical duty  

    Christians look to the only hope mankind has.  

    19 We know that we are from God, and

     q the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

    1 John 5:19

    The Vote is used as a tool, by the great deceiver, to provide a false hope, so people will promote the liars system, designed to keep everyone he can, ensnared and blinded, from seeking the Kingdom, that IS the only true hope.

    People suckered by the propaganda that they can control their own steps.

     NO they can’t, unless it fits into the plans of the one who really controls THE WHOLE WORLD .

    Luke 4:5-6

    d And the devil took him up and showed him

    all the kingdoms of the world

    in a moment of time, and said to him, “To you e I will give all this authority and their glory, 

    e for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will..

     He isn’t about to relinquish control. and he will give the power to whom he wills, (not what you will)  Many are his pawns. Kept in line and blinded by deception.  

    Quit spreading false hopes designed to deceive. 


    So you, a homo sapien, reject Biblical Scripture because it disagrees with your interpret ion of how things should be.


    Out of your own mouth. 

    Always complaining about word salad;  I am not surprised, that solid food is disagreeable to you.  

    14 But solid food is for g the mature, for those who have their powers h of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Hebrews 5:14


    Your comment only makes sense to you. You have provided no solid food, only empty calories.


    Sadly I have friends who voted for Nader in 2000 and now criticize Obama with the same rhetoric as  Orion and Peter. So I find it easy to assume that West ,too, is sincere. Wrong of course but still sincere.

    Tactically that may be a more useful stance than your passionate attacks which may actually create sympathy for West among people  troubled by the appearance that you're attacking West  simply for speaking his mind.

    You've been exposed for years to West and his positions.But there is a steady stream of new voters who havent and we want their votes.

    To be clear, you're right, of course. And West is wrong. But aim your fire at his positions rather than his person.

    Stay well. 

     


    It isn't sad that people voted for Nader. If we had known Bush was going to invade Iraq, we might have voted for Gore, but we couldn't have known there would be an  invasion of Iraq.


    The idea that somehow an Iraq invasion only happened because of Bush is strange. Obama has intervened in more countries than Bush did in less time. In fact, Obama's rhetoric is even more aggressive and unapologetic than Bush's. There are people who want the United States to stop having such a muscular foreign policy but they are pushed back from the front of both parties, as is evidenced by this article. Now, if someone supports this from Obama and likes an aggressive progressivism, that's one thing but I think much of the Left may be delusional or in denial about why many things in our society are like they are.

    And believe me, it's in both parties. I used to be a conservative and Ron Paul got called exactly what Cornel West is being called here only for the right. Ross Perot too. Those wars occur because of the military industrial complex we've had going since WWII, a phrase coined by a Republican president BTW. Standing up against the MIC, when it makes so much money so fast, is dangerous business for a politician.



    Now, I want to make it clear that I have no evidence whatsoever that West is being paid by the GOP. But with that kind of money up for grabs, everybody bears scrutiny.

    Ad hominem argument dished out like it ought to be. The above sentence would be an excellent textbook example of how it is done.

    So good an example, a person who wanted to assassinate your character might suggest you are getting money to spend all your time hunting this guy.

    They may not have any evidence that proves you are in the employ of self interested actors that would benefit from this person being silenced but the simple tenacity of the objective could allow them to continue the project because nobody could prove that the idea was not true.

    Aristotle called this sort of game an infinite regress. It is a hell of a place to get stuck in. That is why ad hominem arguments are called fallacies.


    Resistance, your snippets are of no value. 

    People saw what you wrote about the poor.others responded in a similar fashion to my posts. You now deny your words. 

    In another post a while back, I asked if Christians were ever instructed to stone a disobedient child. Instead of a direct answer. You used the dodge of saying that the Scripture proved that God was not against the death penalty. You avoided the direct answer

    Of course the clever answer might have been to ask when a child uttered any word in the Bible.

    The Christian answer was that there is no command to stone a disobedient child. Now you pretend that you are being questioned like Jesus. How arrogant.

    The religion you represent requires absolutely nothing of you. You see injustice and you sigh. When others take action, you criticize. You say that Christians are to submit to the Superior Authority because you say that all governments were appointed by God. Yet you decry being a slave to the wishes of the Superior Authority.

    You show despair at every turn. Enterococcus. Ebola. You ridicule those with hope. You represent your own narrow-minded religion.


    I have not denied any words, only those you have twisted or misinterpreted . 

    As for stoning a child condemned by law.

    As your earlier attempts to question Gods righteous decrees, to a Nation he delivered out of bondage in Egypt and they made a covenant, in order to gain a life of blessings.  

    I considered it arrogance;  when you suggested God should have counseled with you first.and you would have set him straight about stoning the child. 

    Proving once again, you don't originate from God because you question his authority.

    What son or any of Jesus brothers/brethren, would question his Perfect Fathers right, to decide for the family (his creation) , what is right or wrong? 

    As I said back then, You remind of this, most basic Bible Truth

    The Fall

    3 Now u the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made.

    He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You 1 shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, v ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” 4 w But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 

    Genesis 3:1-5

    The Serpent Lied when said  “You will not surely die. and he also questioned Gods right to tel his Creation what was right or wrong; telling Eve she could determine for herself, what was right or wrong.

    It was a choice. Eve chose self- determination, leading to death 

    Both lies, have led to much pain and suffering  , 

    Listening to God and obeying his words; trusting in what he says is right or wrong (his standards) is the faith that leads to life.

    Your crafty questions about stoning the child, was no less the same old tactic, the serpent intended in the garden.

    Your questioning about Gods laws and his right to tell us what is right or wrong, weakens the faith and leads to death.

    (Probably too much solid food for you?)


    Again more mush. Another comparison of yourself to God.

    Show us where Christians are instructed to stone a child 


    Now you want to apply the Mosaic law to Christians? 

    What makes you believe that this law will not be initiated again, when Christ kingdom is established and Caesars laws, presently governing Christians, will be gone? 


    Not a comparison, only one who is trained and disciplined by him and appreciates the deeper insight, of the things he wants all to understand, to see things through his perspective.To get beyond the milk and unto solid food.

    Hebrews 6:1-3

    Ephesians 3:8-10

    Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
    3:8-12 ….. His riches are as unsearchable and as sure as ever, yet while angels adore the wisdom of God in the redemption of his church, the ignorance of self-wise and carnal men deems the whole to be foolishness.

    Evidently mush and soft foods salad is all you can or will ever see, I am sorry for your loss, of not fully understanding the Plan and secrets, of the mystery.  


    You are not Jesus

    You are not a prophet

    You are a messenger with a flawed message of selfishness, despair, and fear.

    No wonder you covert mans protection of guns and not the freedom from fear of Christianity

     


    Intelligence? Or lucky guess?  

    You are not Jesus


    You are not Jesus because Jesus never used the terms you use in discussing the poor.

    You blame the poor for being poor.

    You accept stoning off disobedient children as Christian

    Show us where Jesus condoned stoning. I can show you where Jesus intervened to stop a stoning. Show me proof that stoning is Christian.


    I think it best to leave you and not allow your Apostate views, to corrupt others. As you dishonor Jesus' father, by questioning his judgment, just as the original deceiver did.


    Cut the crap. I am not dishonoring Jesus, I am defending him from your religion that despises the poor, supports stoning, has lost hope, and offers only despair.


    Hey guys, I'm on vacation so not really following the thread closely, but this is getting pretty personal and antagonistic. How about giving it a rest, especially the religion stuff.

    Thanks.


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