Can Republicans freeze the ball for 14 months and win?

    Before the shot clock rules took effect in the NBA and Collegiate basketball, the practice of "freezing the ball" was used to sit on a lead in the last minutes of the game. I don't think there was anything more frustrating than the losing team being unable to get their hands on the ball. It seemed somehow unfair, un-American, even.

    I thought one of the most effective lines in Obama's speech was the one, "We've got 14 months to go. The American people can't wait for 14 months".

    If the Republicans stonewall Obama's efforts to increase hiring and to help those who are unemployed I think they are taking a huge risk. Fourteen months is a long time to try and freeze the ball. Think about how much time 14 months is. For example, the NFL just started. This season will end and we'll be in week eight of the next NFL season in 14 months. Think about that, Republicans!

    Frankly, I don't think the Tea Party made out so well in the debt ceiling debate. They are much better understood and not so well liked as before. I don't think the stall tactic fits the American psyche. Remember how everyone disliked the kid who decided to take his ball and go home? The idea is to keep playing until the end of the game. 

    One of the points Obama has emphasized the most is that he is proposing programs the Republicans themselves have agreed to in the past. That's quickly understood by everybody. Of course, there is the retort that, "...yes, but now we don't have the money". But Obama has cut them off at the pass by proposing that an additional $447B be added to the spending cuts.

    Of course now it is necessary for Obama to keep hammering the Republicans to "do something".

    I think the public while not always sophisticated is quick to understand the basic concepts. I think they "get" the difference between short term and long term and how too much cutting in the short term can lead to stagnation and an even worse long term deficit. The hard core, like Bachmann, will continue to say no more spending of any kind. But I think the average voter is smarter than that.

    And I think the average person is beginning to understand that the Republicans have been withholding solutions. 14 months is not like the last minutes of the game. It's like more than half of an entire Congressional term--end of the second quarter, if you will.  If the Republicans try to freeze the ball for 14 months they will simply confirm suspicions that they are in effect trying to hold back the economy so that Obama will look weak and lose in 2012. I don't think Republicans will risk being identified as spoil sports. It's unfair. It hurts rather than helps. It's un-American. I don't think they have a choice but to pass the greater part of Obama's jobs plan.

    And I think Obama, in his tone and mannerisms, indicated that if the Republicans try to sit things out for 14 months he is going to stuff them in the 2012 election. Maybe I read the expressions on the faces of the Republicans to fit my own scenario. But the expressions weren't exclusively knee jerk disdain. I saw calculation. I saw people who thought they had Obama cornered reconsidering the odds of doing nothing for the next 14 months and having him skewer them on the campaign trail as a do nothing Congress.  

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    Oxy, I been thinking along the same lines as you. I was with my quilt club the evening of the speech. I left early so I could listen to the speech on the way home on NPR. I didn't see the faces of the Republicans. My quilting friends did bring up how the Republicans would not let the president ideas pass no matter how much the country needed it. They also was not happy with the budget fight and they were tired of the disrespect for the office of the president by the Republicans. These are ladies in their 60's and 70's. They pay very little attention to politics but this summer the talk of cuts in benefits has got their attention. They aren't buying Republican talking points. Some are life long Republican voters. I say the Republicans keep this up they will be in trouble in the election even down ticket. These ladies have caught on to the fact that the legislature isn't doing it's job and the Republicans are the cause. They would like to see Nancy P. back as speaker because she shows a lot of moxi and class. So we will have to see which Republican party wins the primary. The far right crazy or Mitt. Right now my freinds don't trust none of the R's.

    Thanks for your comments. I've tried it out on a few friends--",,you know, it looks like those Republicans are more interested in stiffing Obama than anything else, etc." They don't disagree. I'm not saying any of this will win Obama the election, just that doing nothing increases Republicans' risk of losing.

     


    They are definitely going to try to sit on their hands and do nothing. I hope it doesn't work out that well for them. But yeah they will try to make sure there the economy doesn't improve while there is a Democrat in the Oval Office,  and they will do whatever it takes to make sure that happens, because that is their one and only goal. People should wake up to that fact, that Republicans are absolutely willing to screw everyone over to gain control of the executive branch again and they will try to make sure people are suffering to do so... seems to me like they hate America and Americans.


    Based upon your travels about and armchair research, do you get any sense that people understand the obstructionist strategy of Republicans? Maybe I'm seeing what I want to see, but I think we are in a vastly different consciousness now than at the inception of the Republicans' takeover of the HR.


    Some people seem to understand Oxy, and I think they see that Republicans are dirtbags to their absolute core.  But at this point I don't trust the American people to make good decisions when they vote.

    When I was in Charleston this summer all everyone there wanted to talk to me about was Boeing maybe I was the lone representative of Seattle, ever... or something, but they wanted to know why Washingtonians didn't want jobs in Charleston. I explained to them, keep in mind I was on a culinary/history tour, that it wasn't about not wanting jobs in Charleston it was that Boeing Machinists want those machinists in SC to be in the union, so they could have the same standard of living, educational opportunities and job protection as our machinists. It was a difficult conversation because they truly saw it and the media down there plays it as, people in Seattle just don't want SC to have good paying jobs.  They didn't say anything after I explained it to the tour, because I think I spoke the truth to them, but did they want to hear the truth, no. And they absolutely do not have the same standard of living in SC as we do here.  And guess what Seattlelites are libruls and they seemed to equate that with why we didn't like the south.

    So I would hope that people could see what is really going on here, but I have no real hope that they do, people are wedded to what they already believe.

    Off to Oregon today, heading to the Shakespeare Festival!


    Ah, lovely place to be.


    Good post, oxy.

    Up until the point where Obama put forward his jobs proposal--limited and flawed, to be sure, but a proposal--and publicly and with conviction pressed the Republicans to pass it, I did not know how to make the argument you and tmac are writing about with people I talk to.  

    Now that he has--and in the wake of Republican behavior during the debt ceiling mess and otherwise--I do. And I have some hope that there will be receptivity to it and that this could mark the beginning of a re-assessment of the President for the better by many voters going forward--IF he continues with this MO.  

    Speaking of armchair research, there is plenty of dissatisfaction, even disgust, with Obama among neighbors I've spoken with lately.  The common theme among three different people I spoke with over the weekend was a sense of inadequacy, that his proposals and conduct in office, where they haven't been all but invisible, or else misguided or incoherent as on AfPak, just haven't been on a scale up to the deep challenges we face.  None of the three self-identifies as "true-believing" liberal types.  One of them is a lifelong cranky Dem who voted for Obama, one is a Republican who voted McCain and can see the Tea Party types are nuts who have nothing useful to offer, and the other had been a lifelong but increasingly disaffected D who probably voted for McCain is my guess.  What they all observe is proposals and a record that just hasn't been far-reaching enough to turn things around or at least get us on a path that thinking people can see offers some hope.    

    Everyone not living in a cave for the last 3 years understands, clearly, that our country faces major, major problems, starting, for most, with the economy.  I think it is just beginning to dawn on some folks who cannot imagine themselves ever thrown out of work, who have investments of some significance, that in the longer run, if Europe and the US are both in the tank, this drags down the whole global economy and eventually effects even investment opportunities in places other than Europe and US.  

    You and I might think that would be fairly obvious.  But somehow, it's not.  The belief--the illusion, I would call it--in the "gated community" mentality, that it is possible for people with some means to isolate themselves from the negative consequences of widespread poor-to-miserable conditions in the "real" economy, and the often counter-productive consequences of the political unrest that eventually tends to ensue, dies very hard.  A lot of folks still think they, personally, can escape the nastiness.  They think "independence" rather than acknowledge and accept the reality of "interdependence".

    I continue to believe the President is far more likely to lose his re-election bid, not to mention ultimately fail the country, on account of being insufficiently bold than by being too bold.  Thinking people understand that these times really do call for far-reaching measures, not half-measures or timidity.  At least that is what I pick up in the conversations I have.  I like to think that if the President very publicly gets on and sustains his A game, where he is challenging and pushing the Republicans (and balky Democrats) to move on bold proposals on jobs in particular, he will enhance his standing with the public--even though (because?) all the Republicans know how to do is say no.

    Running against a "do-nothing" Congress, if that is what it comes to, and making the Congressional as well as presidential elections about going big versus more of the same failed Bush economic policies, is both Obama's best chance to win, and also his best chance to get himself a Congress that might, possibly, with persistent White House and public prodding, go farther in rising to the challenges.  If he goes that route at least the public will know where Obama stands and what he means to do with a second term if they vote to re-elect him--and give him a cooperative Congress.  

    I still think he may be able to have some success with portraying what to many of us has been his timidity and excessive deference to the GOP to his favor, as representing his efforts to go the very last mile to make good on his efforts to deal with national problems in a bipartisan manner.  Because of the way he has conducted himself--and because of the widespread criticisms of his MO from frustrated progressives in particular--I doubt there are many otherwise open to voting for him who think he has been too rigid, too inflexible, insufficiently determined to try to get bipartisan cooperation.

    So now, having tried and gone the very last mile on bipartisanship, and having run up against a brick wall which the public is finally starting to see, he may be able to make headway going in a different, bolder direction going forward.  Yes, of course, the GOP will block everything they can from now until the election.  He has to help make sure the public sees this more and more clearly.   

    The do-nothing Republican House.  Worked for Truman.  It can work for Obama not just to get him re-elected, but re-elected pledged to a bolder agenda and with a Congress that gives him and us a fighting chance.  Keep taking the ball to the basket, Mr. President.

    And a P.S. to some of our fellow lefty and progressive-bashing denizens.  I don't see the above as having much, if anything, to do with "moving left".  I think that during highly anxious times such as these, ideological prejudices can become less of an impediment to action where people feel a proposal might possibly work or are at least open to trying it given the visible severity of the problems they observe all around them.  Franklin Roosevelt understood this and was wise enough to stay away from ideologically-tinged characterizations of his proposals and instead spoke the language of pragmatic, ongoing experimentation.  A conservative economist put it this way: "We're all Keynesians in the foxhole, I suppose."  


    Thanks for your comments, Dreamer. I think what you mention as the President "having gone the very last mile for bipartisanism and hitting a brick wall" is very key. I know that going those last miles has been the hardest on the base. And I also think he has gone so far towards bipartisanism, it has made him look weak to everyone--and I think it might have hurt "confidence" overall. After all, we are an alfa male society(not that is should be that way). The leader is expected to beat his chest at all impending threats.

    Obama is just presenting his jobs bill in the Rose Garden. it is a large sheaf of paper held together in impromptu fashion with a large black spring clip.


    I think what you mention as the President "having gone the very last mile for bipartisanism and hitting a brick wall" is very key. I know that going those last miles has been the hardest on the base.

    I think what frustrates many of us is when he gets up and runs into the brick wall again and again. wink


    Obama is in the Rose garden really doubling down on his rhetoric about Republican obstructionism and we can't wait "14 months". I'm lovin' it. Wait till you hear Republicans call foul--he's actually denigrating them for their tactics.  About time.


    It's extremely important for Obama and other Democrats to call things by their names and to be crystal clear about what Republicans are up to.

    What would people think about a doctor who intentionally fouled up operations so that he could make his Chief of Surgery look bad, and take over his job when the latter is fired?   Is this just "obstructionism"?   Is it just "gamesmanship"?   Is it just "hardball"?  No it would be criminal malpractice meriting the severest punishment.

    People who would keep millions of Americans out of work intentionally so that they can win an election are criminal malefactors who deserve to be horsewhipped.


    Well surely the Chief of Surgery who lets a doctor intentionally foul up operations isn't doing a very good job*, whereas the doctor who deliberately (and successfully) fouls up operations is! I'm putting down some bait for jollyroger here... devil

    *Actually, he isn't, all snark aside. I'd still rather have him operating on me than the doctor in question.


     deliberately (and successfully)

    The Hustler:

    It's not enough to have talent, ya gotta have character too...


    I just heard an estimate that the package could create as many as 2 million jobs by the end of 2012. That's a big number to obstruct.


    the public while not always sophisticated

    Herewith the "Jolly", a new Dayley for understatement


    I am very pleased to accept the first "Jolly" award for understatement.


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