Yell Tort Reform to prevent socialism

    The town halls are all the rage nowadays, now that people are bringing weapons to them and healthcare is assumed to be synonymous with Socialism.

    I remember the days when the Iraq war was still important and you couldn’t drag or pay the community to these things in any significant numbers, and there was always a seat. A friend of mine you know as DF on some of them bloggin’ sites people are reading nowadays for their crazy ideas, and I went to the recent Dan Lungren Town Hall in Citrus Heights with the intention of getting into a fake fight about Socialism and platitude.

    Our main talking point was essentially this, use the LaRouche and right wing lexicon and exclaim to repeal Medicare and Social Security on top of preventing a healthcare system, since it is ostensibly Socialist in nature anyway. We just thought we’d use their (il)logic to get rid of big government. A government I would naturally assume too big too fail, right? Since it is of course the physical size of things that determine whether something is successful or not. We just thought it would be funny to see the old white peoples’ reaction when given a taste of their own medicine.

    I had felt no more right rolling up in my car blasting Evil Cowards, looking upon the crowds roaming back and forth along the streets and seeing the local news and protest signs milling about. There were crowds of people unable to get inside when we arrived, I would imagine close to a hundred people, mostly older folk. We ducked in across the street for some fish and chips talking about the state of the union I guess, and fuckin’ crazy the general population seems to be.

    I didn’t expect to see guns I guess that’s the hot shit now, to exercise a right whenever possible albeit largely confused with intimidation. At this point we are just trying to feel the scene in the parking lot. I was thinking to myself  town halls are a fuckin’ freak show that everyone wants to be a part of now. Everyone is an expert on everything but all in all don’t really know shit. We couldn’t get into the City Hall and judging from the pictures it looks like it had a maximum occupancy of 20 people.

    One gray haired man(Gray) with glasses caught our attention quickly when he was pushing a cameraman insisting that he ask permission to take his picture. This guy was a town haller if there was one. DF and I lost count of how many times Gray cried Socialism after about 80 times. He and the cameraman started yelling at each other and it looked as if it was about to get physical, about four Citrus Heights Police Officers came into view and stood and watched.

    Gray turned to the police and shouted, “He bumped me.” His childish and unreasonable nature exemplifies town halls at least reaching the media. Little whiny bastards who couldn’t define socialism or Obamacare, or even night soil if they were paid. The fight fizzled and argumentation became nothing but a bunch of unsolicited caveats and prerequisites, in the form of, “What do you read?” and fanatical self proclamations on the first amendment. I wonder about these people sometimes and I think if they are even capable of the irony they exude. Is there any self examination at any point…?

    At one point I’m just going to assume a democrat and Gray were arguing about Socialism, “What is it?”
    Gray “I already know what it is you tell me” This is the state of the union when neither party can simply define a word enough to correlate it to the present situation, yet they will fight about it and become vicious over it. Luckily one guy chimed in,”Well there really isn’t a bill right now anyway” everyone had capitulated and looked down, at least for a fleeting few moments. By god that was the most sober and honest thing to be said in the parking lot in probably years.

    I am convinced the town hall has come to resemble nothing democratic if nothing of substance is being argued. Furthermore approving certain reading material  and self appointed caveats is tantamount to having the privilege of simply arguing with opposite parties, no thanks. Town Halls needn’t be as disgraceful and filled with pure shit propaganda to its gills, but they are.

    DF and I didn’t get into the town hall but we walked around talking here and there amongst ourselves wondering about these people. What Dan Lungren said is probably totally meaningless anyway. He’s a guy I never liked, respected, and always just assumed he hated his constituency. I know I would if I had to deal with the lowest common denominator, and he is supposed to represent these slobbering fools screaming “TORT REFORM” three feet from Lungren’s ear. DF noted Lungren looks like a moderate compared to these people, and rightly so he did.

    The fear of Socialism is laughable at every turn, but trying to put myself in their shoes or mindset I tell myself, well the US fought a decades long battle against socialism, and Communism beginning in 1917 and ending in 1989. That’s no small feat and the Cold War is largely assumed to be WWIII so…yeah. There is no way any red blooded American would let something like that begin to flourish and bloom again.

    There is always one thing I find interesting about political forums or protests or town halls, is that there is always this diminished ability for people to support their own arguments requiring defending parties to Google it or look it up. Lesson one, think of arguing like a paragraph, statement sentence and a couple supporting sentences. I saw butt hole surfers surrounding me arguing but trying to weasel their way out of supporting their lackluster beliefs by placing the burden of proof on their opponent, “look it up”.

    Lungren finally finished his town hall and addressed the crowd outside with the PA on a squad car fielding questions from people who thought being loudest meant you were right “TORT REFORM”.  I couldn’t really hear any of the questions probably wouldn’t want to either.

    These town halls are a joke, they bring out the worst in people. If anything I can say about the American public is that they lack couth, argumentation skills, and most of all total disdain for each other. DF and I had enough and got a beer at the local watering hole.

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    Well, I'm glad you had the stomach to write about this because I sure didn't.  I went with the intention of taking pictures and writing it up, but after the first few shots I just gave up.  Between the Larouchies and the red-baiters there wasn't really much of interest.

    I really did love the socialism being asked what socialism was.  Over the course of a few minutes I heard him use the word several dozen times, nearly in ever sentence.  Upon finally being asked to explain his definition of socialism, he retorted exactly as you describe: "I know what it is.  You tell me."  Seriously.  Like a seven year-old.

    Going to the bar was the only reasonable response to this nonsense.


    At my town hall, one guy asked me on the way in if I knew how much tyranny was in the bill. I just smiled and walked past him as he continued to yell at me. I didn't feel like pointing out that our definitions of tyranny were probably somewhat different, what with him most likely supporting the war in Iraq (at least initially), the Patriot Act, and secret spying on American citizens.

    I made the mistake of wearing a red t-shirt, so inside another woman approached me and invited me to a healthcare forum. The flyer said "about government-controlled healthcare." So, I asked her if it was going to be a real discussion or just one-sided. She said she didn't know, but wasn't it about time that we had government out of our private lives (Yeah, she really said that). I told her I agreed wholeheartedly and that the government shouldn't be able to tell me what I can or can't do with my own body or who I can love. She looked perplexed. So, then she said, "Well, they shouldn't be able to raise our taxes to pay for healthcare." At that point, I informed her that I don't make anywhere near $300,000 in a year, so my taxes aren't going up. Then she tried to convince me that someday I will and that's why I should oppose the tax plan now. I was being sickeningly sweet to her, but that one tried my patience and I almost rolled my eyes. Then, I got control of myself and told her it was highly unlikely that I'd ever make $300,000 in one year and that, if I did, I'd be happy to pay more in taxes to make sure that everyone had health insurance. She was utterly confused. The problem is, for all of us, that we surround ourselves with like-minded people and make very little attempt to understand the other side.

    In our case, the other side is currently on an extended vacation to Crazyland, so it's nearly impossible to comprehend them. But if we could actually try to understand each other's rational points of view, we might get further on compromising.


    That's assuming that the other person has a rational proposal with which to compromise.


    that's a great give-and-take, O. should be in a movie.


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