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    Why Stay in College?



    Why stay in college? Why go to night school?
    Gonna be different this time?
    Can't write a letter, can't send a postcard
    I can't write nothing at all

    Yesterday, I was chatting with a coworker who used to be a teacher. I told him that I had finally watched all of Up the Down Staircase last weekend, and was struck at how old movies like that, and like To Sir With Love which portray teachers as heroic figures struggling against great odds have been replaced with a film, Waiting for Superman, that lays most of the failures in education on the teachers. But then I read this Daily Dish link to the Chronicle of Higher Education. Richard Vedder, director of the Center for College Affordability and Productivity and professor of economics at Ohio University, looks at employment statistics from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and asks:

    Why Did 17 Million Students Go to College?

    Over 317,000 waiters and waitresses have college degrees (over 8,000 of them have doctoral or professional degrees), along with over 80,000 bartenders, and over 18,000 *parking lot attendants*. All told, some 17,000,000 Americans with college degrees are doing jobs that the BLS says require less than the skill levels associated with a bachelor’s degree.


    I think a better question would be, "Why can't educated people find better jobs?" but Vedder takes it as a given that going to college was a fruitless pursuit for certain students.

    I have long been a proponent of Charles Murray’s thesis that an increasing number of people attending college do not have the cognitive abilities or other attributes usually necessary for success at higher levels of learning. As more and more try to attend colleges, either college degrees will be watered down (something already happening I suspect) or drop-out rates will rise.


    All sorts of alarm bells went off in my head when I read the name of one of the authors of The Bell Curve. I remembered that the Bell Curve was very controversial once it became clear that the authors believed that intelligence was far more determined by genes and race than by upbringing. I just read that Murray is a libertarian pundit now associated with the American Enterprise Institute (Co-author and psychologist Richard Herrnstein died in 1994, just before the book was published.) I also just read that Andrew Sullivan, of the Daily Dish, published The Bell Curve in The New Republic without peer review.

    Vedder goes on to cite another study, Estimating Marginal Returns to Education, and asks:

    ... at a time when resources are scarce, when American governments are running $1.3-trillion deficits, when we face huge unfunded liabilities associated with commitments made to our growing elderly population, should we be subsidizing increasingly problematic educational programs for students whose prior academic record would suggest little likelihood of academic, much less vocational, success?

    I think the American people understand, albeit dimly, the logic above. Increasingly, state governments are cutting back higher-education funding, thinking it is an activity that largely confers private benefits. The pleas of university leaders and governmental officials for more and more college attendance appear to be increasingly costly and unproductive forms of special pleading by a sector that abhors transparency and performance measures.

    Higher education is on the brink of big change, like it or not.


    Now I have never believed that everyone should go to college right out of high school, or at all, and there is certainly a compelling concern against casually assuming too much college debt because of the way that debt follows you for the rest of your life, but when I read the shot across the bow above I remember the National Lampoon's parody - A Strong Back is a Terrible Thing to Waste.

    There were many criticisms in the comments to the Vedder article, and among them, *mark_r_harris* wrote a more persuasive argument against too high a percentage of the workforce attending college:

    On 60 Minutes a few weekends ago, it was mentioned that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would like 80% of American youth to attend and graduate from college. It is a nice thought in many ways. As a teacher and professor, intellectually I am all for it (if the university experience is a serious one, which these days, I don’t know). But students’ expectations in attending college are not just intellectual; they are careerist (probably far more so). As it happens, I am now living and teaching in a country, South Korea, that meets the Gates’ standards. Right now, about 75-80% of Korean high school students enter a university. The 20% of Korean youth who do not attend university are mainly poor rural youth. Given the Koreans’ diligence, it is not surprising that the vast majority of university attendees also graduate, many with majors in scientific and engineering disciplines (“soft” degrees like marketing are not as popular here). This is a dedicated country.

    But you know what? They can’t find jobs. It was reported in the Korean media a few weeks ago that according to the latest government figures, only half of recent Korean university graduates have found full-time work. Even the country’s best university, Seoul National, only has a 70% placement rate.

    Now, Korea is experiencing an economic downturn, but not as bad as America’s. This employment issue has more to do with levels of training and subsequent levels of expectation. When a Korean student emerges from 20 years of intense study with a university degree, he or she reasonably expects a “good” job — which is to say, a well-paying professional or managerial job with good forward prospects. But here’s the problem. There does not exist, nor will there ever exist, a society in which 80% of the available jobs are professional, managerial, comfortable, and well-paid. No way. Korea has a number of other jobs, but some are low-paid service work, and many others — in factories, farming, fishing — are scorned as 3-D jobs (difficult, dirty, and dangerous). Educated Koreans don’t want them. So the country is importing labor in droves — from China, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Philippines, even Uzbekistan. In the countryside, rural Korean men are having such a difficult time finding prospective wives to share their agricultural lifestyle that fully 40% of rural marriages are to poor women from those other Asian countries, who are brought in by match-makers and marriage brokers.

    Since young Koreans almost invariably live at home until marriage, whether they are working or not, it is routine for the young unemployed to do so. Their parents, who have a lot invested in their children’s successful outcomes, discourage them from taking low-level, part-time, or contract work, even just to get a start in life. As is usually the case, the only way they can see of improving their lot is not by lowering their expectations, but by improving their qualifications: by scoring well on English tests, getting additional certificates, and so on. But everyone else is doing this, too, so the competitive field remains the same. What will happen to these youths? The more years they don’t work, the less chance there is that they ever will. They become tainted, and possibly a permanently disenfranchised minority.

    This country, in short, has, with the best of intentions, educated itself into a corner.


    I presume he means South Korea. Harris' scenario fits with the many peak oil and economic collapse articles anticipating such a decline in the middle class that they advise that we should be teaching our children farming and joinery, not to mention bowing and scraping, but I can't dismiss the fear that they may be correct.

     

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    Of the 317K waiters with degrees, how many are "career" waiters and how many are putting themselves through grad school, biding their time, or pursuing some kind of non-standard pursuit.  My friends were all theatre types and we did tend to be overqualified for our jobs much of the time, right after we graduated.  being overqualified for your job doesn't mean you have too many qualifications.

    Also, of course, college isn't about jobs.  Or, it isn't just about jobs.  To one degree or another it's about functioning in society at a higher level.  It's about learning how to think, how to question and how to talk about all this heady stuff and even how to get other people interested in it.  Or it's about learning how to do a job.  But it's not just one.

    It's also part of our extended adolescence in America.  We could argue about whether or not that's a good thing but I rather enjoyed mine.


    What was it Zonker from Doonesbury said about being a sophomore in college?  Those were the best seven years of my life?


    Thank you for this post and the links.  They will fit in nicely with my growing collection of evidence against the absolutely insane society in which we live.

    Does anyone know exactly when the primary function of colleges and universities became credentialing for jobs anyway?  Wouldn't that best be left to trade schools or apprentice and intern programs?

    And why does everyone have to have a job anyway?  Does anyone else ever wonder if maybe everyone would be better off if some people did not work at all or at least not work in their current field, especially in important and prestigious fields like science or even government. 

    We have way too many people doing things they should not be doing all because we believe everyone has to have a job they can call their own instead of just sharing necessary work and pursuing other interests in the greatly expanded leisure increases in productivity and our current surplus of workers offers us.

    /vent


    It's not the education that is out of whack, it's what it is being sold as. A ticket to a High Pay Check and a Better Life. Which ain't necessarily so any more. I firmly believe in education for it's own sake. To understand the world and the people in it. To be able to make intelligent decisions and to appreciate the finer things around us.

    Unfortunately the use of higher education as some guarantee of future wealth has caused it to also fail at the other things as well.


    I have had to listen to my in-laws comment for years on how my education didn't benifit me.  Maybe I didn't collect a lot of expensive toys, but I have had an interesting life. 

    My grandkids start in school ahead because of the time I spend with them exposing them to the world I know about.  Children who start to school from under privilage families are behind in vocabulary and not ready to read.  If these kid's parents had a good education would not be behind like that even if their families income is low.   It improves the quality of life.  

    I think the first 2 years of college should be free public schools like high school.         


    Have any of the people you cited actually been to college themselves?  I mean, the curriculum isn't that hard, and lots of people I wouldn't normally consider supremely intelligent do just fine.

    I guess I'm trying to say that the hoi polloi the Murrays and Vedders want to deny a college education to are generally a lot smarter than these pseudo-academics give them credit for being.

    And, if you want to read a fantastic takedown of Waiting for Superman, read Diane Ravitch's essay in the current New York Review of Books.  I wanted to blog it here, but time just does not permit.  I would like to tattoo the main points of her essay on the foreheads of the politicians and bureaucrats currently deciding the future of American education. 

     


    I did see that review, but I want to see the film before I blog on it again.


    There are blogs about higher education everywhere, whether they be for or against aiming for a college degree.  Check out this article about some of the best blogs out there: [link deleted]


    Well, IIRC Murray and Hernstein suggested that adoption and twin studies showed that intelligence had a heredibility of .60. That is indeed what many large studies have shown.

    More recently Ian Deary lead the following study:

    "It has been getting clearer and clearer that any genetic contribution to traits on which people differ – like height and weight – comes about from large numbers of gene differences, each with very small effects," said Prof Ian Deary of the University of Edinburgh, who led the research on intelligence. "We thought that was one possibility for cognitive ability differences, and our results are compatible with that."

    To test his idea, researchers looked at more than half a million locations in the genetic code of 3,511 unrelated adults. Each of these sites is where people are known to have single-letter variations in their DNA, called single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). These variations were correlated with the individuals' performance in two types of psychometric tests that are established in assessing intelligence: one test measuring recalled knowledge (via vocabulary) and the second measuring problem-solving skills.

    They found that 40% of the variation in knowledge (called "crystallised intelligence" by the researchers) and 51% of the variation in problem-solving skills ("fluid-type intelligence") between individuals could be accounted for by the differences in DNA. The results are published on Tuesday in the journal Molecular Psychiatry.

    Previous work on the environmental and genetic contributions to cognitive ability has been based on comparing intelligence in identical and non-identical twins, or studying it in people who were adopted. In the study led by Deary, the conclusions were gleaned from direct testing of people's DNA. "It is the first to show biologically and unequivocally that human intelligence is highly polygenic [involving lots of genes] and that purely genetic (SNP) information can be used to predict intelligence," Deary wrote in the journal paper."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/09/genetic-differences-intelligence


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