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Networks Call SC For Newt As Polls Close

By Monday, Newt will be within several points nationally of Mitt.

Read the full article at http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/results/live/2012-01-21#eaf1ac072

It was a rather spectacular collapse on Mitt's part.  It would appear his tax issue really pulled the rug out from him.  No sign he will release them before Monday's debate.

Romney wanted to skip Monday's debate but can't.  He may release them as it starts, but I suspect he'll try to win Florida without releasing, which is a sign that.  They.  Really.  Stink.

Romney Meme Propagators, chew on that.

You called this one, A-man. My hat's off.

Thanks, Doc.  I expected Newt to win, but the margin is so big.  I had thought Newt would win even after NH, but when the momentum swung, I expected 8 or maybe 10.  Thirteen is so decisive.  This race now reminds me a lot of Clinton-Obama.  if Santorum dropped out, Gingrich would win it all.  Seems to me Rick is running for Veep or to be broker.  I think all four are in through Super Tuesday.  If Romney loses Florida, I think he's toast.  He's ahead in early voting, but he's under great pressure to "win" the debate Monday.  Fascinating stuff.

Just a reminder about ground games: in Virginia the only two choices are Romney and Paul.

Mine too...

I liked how the Republican strategist Steve Schmidt told Maddow that if Newt wins Florida he doesn't have the words to describe the meltdown among the Republican establishment.  He also mentioned that a number of Republicans are looking at the fact that Romney had 100% name recognition and 60% unfavorable, so there isn't much hope of get the unfavorable number down.

Those 100/60 numbers are Newt's.

Yeah you're right.  that'll teach me to multi-task while listening to the analysis

now the context of the rest of the discussion makes sense - in that the establishment folks see newt as unelectable and why they'll tweak if he wins florida.  the interesting thing was because of the debates, most of the SC voters saw newt as the one most likely to beat Obama. 

Not much time to write but wanted to comment that I had previously pooh-poohed A-man's suggestion that Newt might win SC by 10 points. I possibly previously pooh-poohed poorly.

Try bran flakes.

I don't think that would prevent premature pooh-poohing.

If anything, one might rightly fear the flakes' promotion of said ppp 

Some are saying OWS, although they had no 'agenda', helped focus right wing low information voters on who Mitt represents, Wall Street tycoons. These are the guys who sent the good jobs overseas 20 years ago, and more recently, screwed over the taxpayers with the bailouts, after crashing the economy.

A Newt victory is a huge blow to the money driven 'free' speech wurlitzer of corporate media.

Anyone have any opinion they'd care to share on whether Myth or Newt would be the bigger challenge for Obama in November?  And why?

Thanks.

Well, as Carville noted, the serial adulterer with the $1.6 million Fannie Mae payout for "being a history teacher"....

Of course since "our" guy defended Fannie Mae and the banks from any serious mortgage fraud settlement, it's hard to see our moral high ground. How do you deliver that sound bite from Bank of America stadium?

I don't think Gingrich is finished with the adultery issue, which is as much leaving 2 wives with severe medical conditions and finding new trophy wives - an issue that will eventually get traction with even GOP wives. (as well as Gingrich's obnoxiousness).

But it's worth remembering the type of useless press we have, setting up softballs for candidates. Feel the journalistic inquisitiveness:

"n it, she says that you came to her in 1999, at a time when you were having an affair. She says you asked her, sir, to enter into an open marriage.

Would you like to take some time to respond to that?"

A la, "would you like to bitch slap me around for the first part of this debate, sir?" Not a whiff of 2nd time Gingrich has done this, not a whiff of the multiple sclerosis issue, just a ponce laying docile. And that's before the interview aired - already dusted in prime time.

Vicky Ward at HuffPost lays out nicely how it probably wouldn't matter - the public doesn't like or care about tell-alls. If Monica Lewinsky had come out to say Clinton had wronged her, the public and press would have been a bit more lethargic.

If Romney blames all his problems on the liberal press, he'll do much better. 

Thanks for your insight.  I was thinking it would be better to have Newt as the nominee, but as Mr. Day opined, 'be careful what you wish for' and referenced how everyone thought Reagan would be a cinch to crush - and we all know how that turned out.  (Note:  Michael Reagan was on CNN tonight and he appears to be giving the Reagan blessing/endorsement to Newt!  Alluded to Newt being in the footsteps of his father (paraphrasing).)

Yeah, after 20 years, the Enfant Terrible is just another cuddly teddy bear blowing off steam.

One of the issues in last cycle was the venom against Hillary, but how many papers will that sell a 3rd or 4th time around?

Gingrich knows if you survive one news cycle, you've basically won. He has congressional ethics violations that he had to pay out for - no problem, it all becomes ho-hum.

And somehow his reputation as perfessur survives no matter how many dumb things he says.

Wow. Maybe there isn't enough money in capitalist America to get mitt elected. Seriously. Camel, meet needle!

Florida's next, eh? I bet Marco Rubio's phone is ringing off the hook.

I am with those who feel that ows has a lot to do with this. Some republican voters are realizing that they've been vying for spots on the cheeleading squad of the opposing team! 

I will be bummed if it turns out articleman was right, especially since I pretty much said that if mitt didn't get the nomination I'd kiss his butt in front of the post office and give him 10 minutes to draw a crowd. Virtually speaking, of course....

i have to believe, though, that the establishment has a few tricks still up its sleeve. If they have to accept newt they will,  but it won't be their first choice. How will they respond? Maybe, since they would be reasonably certain that newt couldn't beat Obama they'd downplay the pres race and focus on congress and the senate....

 

 

It's reported that the Repubs are imploding and wondering what in the Hell they are going to do if Newt keeps the momentum.  If Florida goes Newt's way, then supposedly Mitch Daniels, Jeb Bush and even Bobby Jangle (sp? can't remember but he did repub response to SOU speech last year) will be getting both phone calls and personal visits to puleeze come forward. A 'brokered' convention between Newt and Mitt is believed would be bloody and very, very ugly. (And fun for us.)

And some of Myth's donors/supporters are pretty ticked off at him, more or less demanding he get it together and also release his taxes.  Supposedly, some big announcement on FAUX during Sunday a.m. show.

(Hey, ya better hope that articleman doesn't take up a collection to send you a ticket so that the ass kissing won't be just virtual.)

Thanks.  My only defense for my brain fog is that it was late and I was tired.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

But, I do remember that Jindal tanked in his response to SOU and after that he pretty much 'disappeared' from the public eye and Repub's 'short list' for POTUS nominee.

 

Mitt knows the main stream press (the supposed liberals) will be shocked, just shocked to find out Mitt is a capitalist who made money. Unlike Gingrich, who lent his name & government connections to Fannie Mae lobbying in typical cronyist fashion.

As the press will run with the best spin machine, Newt will have that cycle wrapped up, just like he won his little adultery rounds. Who cares if he's a serial scumbag if he can blame it on liberal media - and the liberal media will bend over backwards to show it's not liberal.

What Romney has done well is play rope-a-dope. Until yesterday, not releasing taxes has been a smart move. He just needs to find a way to get the issue settled - barely, not completely - and get it off the main page. Because after S.C., he's in for a likely win in Florida where he's put in a lot of time and money (and Gingrich can't get organized quickly - hasn't gone on the air yet), and then it's on to wins in:

 

  • Feb 4 – Nevada caucus
  • Feb 7 – Colorado caucus, Minnesota caucus, Missouri primary
  • Feb 11 – Maine caucus
  • Feb 28 – Arizona primary, Michigan primary
  • March 3 – Washington caucus

So whatever Romney's religion problem, it's not big enough to handicap out his nomination.

I don't know how true, but one of the people last night was saying how the Ron Paul people took over in Nevada after the Republican leadership imploded from the whats-his-name's sex scandale and the nomination of Angle.  It isn't that Newt could win there, but the headline will be Paul beats Mitt.  Mitt is running on the "I'm-the-who-can-beat-Obama" strategy - so this will be a blow to him.

Ron Paul's going to beat Romney in Mormon Nevada? Maybe only 7.5% of population, but 25% of GOP caucus.

Not likely. Ron Paul's going to suddenly gain a bunch of Hispanic Nevadan support (27%)? With what policy?

It is a caucus, so there is a matter of who can GOTV.  And while Romney will get a good portion of the vote, he won't get them all.  Romney definitely has the advantage and if I had to bet the family farm....but did anyone see Newt's massive victory coming? nope.  If Newt wins florida and takes some of Romney's vote, who knows.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Florida is a likely win for Mitt.  It's more like a dead heat.

Newt has the momentum from the win in SC.  He will get a huge infusion of money.  Probably most importantly Florida is a closed primary so Mitt can't get any help from the Independents.  The more conservative generally has the upper hand in FL.  It is also a state hit hard by the economy like SC, and unlike NH and Iowa.

The tax issue may be problem once he releases them - a year or two when he paid no taxes? that he is really a billionaire and not just a multi-millionaire as he has said.  The populist strand in the Republican party is stronger than it has been before. 

Newt should take the panhandle (the more north you go, the more south you go). 

And how will those elderly who are concerned about cuts in SS and Medicare, and are more likely to vote in the election, going to perceive Romney?

And Paul will not be around to take 12% of the vote.  He's off to the caucus states where he pick up delegates (FL is winner take all).

Okay.  I obviously need a tutorial on the Repub Primary processes.  How is it that not all states have to play by the same rules with the delegate appropriations?  Some states the winner gets all delegates and others are configured by vote/districts won?  

This seems somewhat convoluted and bizarre (I know, this is the GOP and the bizarre is not unusual).  

My ignorance on this is my own fault as I turned away from the blather for a few months. Mea Culpa.

The Democratic Party primary processes are no better, nor are the Electoral College. There are a few states who allocate their EC votes by percentages, but most are winner-take-all. The party primaries just took that and made it even less consistent.

So Newt wants to private much of Social Security, and that won't cause qualms?

Newt took handouts from Freddie Mac offering 'history advice', not 'lobbying'- that'll endear him with the anti-government crowd? 

And will there be no effect from his Open Marriage bit?

Florida has 10 media markets - Newt hasn't started running ads yet, and often ad time tight before election is bought up and unavailable, however much money you have.

We'll see, but it ain't that easy.

I didn't say it would be easy and Newt is at the moment at a disadvantage at the moment, but not by much.  But you seem to believe all the voters are high information voters.  Newt's marriage didn't seem to hurt him in SC where he got married vote as much as the single vote - which is by the percentage he won overall (based on exit polls). 

Newt is taking a populist, anti-media approach.  If he is successful, a lot of the people will see Mitt's PAC attacks as just part of the NY-DC elite's attack on him.

For those who are suffering economically Newt might be able to tap into that in a way it is almost impossible for Mitt. I seriously doubt the Freddie stuff will work in the way it did with the small group of Iowa caucus goers who haven't suffered economically in the same way.

As far as SS - Newt can shift gears and it probably won't hurt him.  He doesn't have the flip flop tag like Mitt, who would be hurt if he did it. 

So we will see.

 

Just walked over to early voting at my precinct in Florida. (There are some state amendments on the ballot, but the turnout is mostly for the Republican primary.) It struck me when I saw the Romney yard signs around the building that I haven't seen ANY signs at all in actual yards, except for a city race in the next town over. Unlike 2008.

They say Florida's baked in the cake for Romney because of so many submitted absentee votes that preceded Gingrich's latest pro-open marriage surge.

As of Saturday, 185,435 absentee ballots had been cast and 11,836 early votes had been cast at precincts — for a total of 197,271, according to Brian Hughes, Republican Party of Florida spokesman.

Nearly 2,000,000 votes were casted in the Repub primary in 2008.  So the absentee ballots are just under 10% of the total that will be casted.  Maybe a little more (slow turnout so far). How many of the absentee voted for the Flavor of the Month instead of Mitt - considering that the Florida primary is closed to non-Republicans.

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Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/21/2600726/early-voting-gets-underway-in.html#storylink=cpy

I am also going to say that if the tax returns are what did mitt in, then Obama better get going on being VERY convincing about representing the ordinary Americans who make up the 99%. Cause otherwise newts gonna steal that thing.

So, ya think Newt would be tougher for Obama than Myth?

It's not that exactly. It's that finally, Cayman Capitalism itself (my new term!) is kind of on trial in the minds of voters. For 30 years since Reagan, everybody has been expected to not only be made poorer by the "Greed is Good" set, but actually cheer about it and vote for it or be labeled UnAmerican. 

I've had many conversations with middle-class Republicans who said things like "well, of course Joe Zillionaire would put his money in offshore accounts--it's survival of the fittest!" etc, etc. Anything vaguely populist was a no-no, even if it would be in their interest.

Now that the Tea Party (a failed astroturf/populist effort ) is kind of done, and that people are finally cluing in that Cayman Capitalism might not be in their interests, I'm thinking that between now and the election, some more of the 99% will start seriously looking for a populist who will (gasp!) genuinely represent their interests in government.

Again, just my opinion--but Party Democrats have been avoiding the idea that they ought to be populists for all they're worth. They're essentially leaving votes on the table.

It would be a little weird for Mitt or some other Republican to do a sudden about-face and go all "represent the people," but stranger things have happened. Newt has already done it to some extent with his attack on Romney.

Anyway, my point is that the longer the Democrats stay lukewarm on populism, the more likely they'll miss it.

I agree with you.  And Cayman Capitalism is brilliant, and I will no doubt pirate it for use in future conversations with all who defend this practice. I will now have to research and arm myself with facts as to these off shore accounts and their negative impact on U.S. economy, etc.

Appreciate.

Pirate away, Aunt Sam.

I just posted these thoughts as a blog, along with a photo of said critter.

:^)

I thought Tea Party was always faux populist, taking the Bastille to a photo op.

It was--but imho the funny thing about the tea party was that despite its leaden leadership, (filled with Astroturfers and Whackadoodles) there were actually people in it who were trying to use it as a way to air the concerns of ordinary Americans.

(You may remember my efforts to convince my TPM compadres that there were people in the tea party who could probably be convinced to vote Democrat if we'd only stop insulting them. I didn't get very far--apparently the force of punning and dunning is strong in our group...)

I think it's the Republicans who won't live and die on the religion issue and were (openly or secretly) disgusted by the bank bailout, who are now finally looking twice at all this. They've quietly stepped away from whatever tea party flirtation they had, and are wondering what to do.

And their choice is:

Wall Street Mitt

Social Conservative Rick

and

Reagan Conservative Newt

(Faux Libertarian Ron is off to the caucus states)

Who will they choose?

I think that is pretty clear.

Agree on the unity with tea baggers thing - many are part of the 99%, and it doesn't take that much to make common cause with someone who's lost their job or house.

Do you think they could be persuaded that the Democratic Party more accurately represents their interests? (I mean, assuming that the Democratic Party would make an effort to convince them.)

If you sit down and have a beer with most people, they'll listen a bit.

Whether the Democratic Party has any intention of listening to "the other", I don't know.

But both parties are a problem - I can't say I really care what the Democratic Party does - I liked it when Howard Dean was pushing in positive directions, but now I just see it as a money machine that has little to do with me - in cause or effect.

If the Democratic faction of the Democratic Party came together to focus on something reasonable, they just might be able to bring in a new coalition with previously acknowledged wingnuts.

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