MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
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Listen Live: Supreme Court Hears Oral Arguments in Trump Tax Return Cases
By artappraiser on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 9:56am |starts 10am ET, player at link, along with explanatory text
URL:
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/live-trials-current/supreme-court-live-trials-current/listen-live-supreme-court-hears-oral-arguments-in-trump-tax-return-cases/
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The Supreme Court will never let Trump's tax returns see the light of day. Even if it was in the Constitution "Congress shall have the right to .....Trump's tazes and finances" they would not allow it, defer, delay, obstruct it for years.
by NCD on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 12:49pm
I didn't get to listen but am running across some intriguing comments and this CNN breaking story
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 4:32pm
The arguments were interesting. The Justices spoke more cogently than the lawyers in front of them.
The fact that Trump did not divest or put his business into a Trust is a new thing regarding precedent. It would not be surprising if the Court kicks that one down the road until those sorts of limits are made matters of Law. It had been a Code of Gentlemen up to now. The emoluments clause was drafted more toward an eye to avoiding Foreigners buying influence than stanching internal corruption. Banks have been the standard way to keep that sort of thing on the down low but now you have this friggin Real Estate Dealer crashing the boy dance party.
The response to Alito regarding the security of the Grand Jury process is important. That points toward the New York State subpoenas going forward on the basis of the system being able to function as it should. As a point of delimitation, the Supreme Court itself can only assume that sort of competence to go forward.
by moat on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 5:28pm
thank you for sharing what you got out of it, this especially was a "doh, learn something new every day" thing to me, makes perfect sense as to the framers and why didn't I realize it before
the emoluments clause was drafted more toward an eye to avoiding Foreigners buying influence than stanching internal corruption. Banks have been the standard way to keep that sort of thing on the down low but now you have this friggin Real Estate Dealer crashing the boy dance party.
by artappraiser on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 5:36pm
Except Congress codified the turning over of presidential taxes in law, whereas the Administration is stonewalling family tax returns in some kind of extended royal family prerogative. Even Trump's sister got into the act, resigning her judgeship to avoid detailing tax evasion and inheritance misdeed but that may just be state level.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 10:47pm
There is the IRS code that requires showing returns to Congress which Trump team claims was made in bad faith and would be leaked to media if released.
I think there should be a law that requires the President's returns to be revealed if the business is not divested or held in trust.
by moat on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 9:25am
That would help, tho theyd seek another loophole.
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 2:10pm
The emoluments fight is back on:
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 4:12pm
A synchronicity with the tax return question before the Supreme Court.
If Trump had divested from Trump Org, the subpoena delivered to Deutsche Bank would have nothing to do with his Presidency. Trump is using the Presidency in a novel virus fashion.
by moat on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 4:30pm
there is also breaking emoluments type news over @ WaPo "according to Federal Records obtained by the Post":
by artappraiser on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 5:35pm
This result is inevitable. Presidents, in the past, did not run a Hot Dog concession out of the West Wing while purportedly doing the Peoples' business.
by moat on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 5:44pm
hot dog concession to be continued through the summer, natch:
by artappraiser on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 1:49pm