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4 Firefighters Shot in Mass Shooting

WEBSTER, N.Y. - Two firefighters are dead and two more injured after being shot while battling a blaze in upstate New York on Monday morning, reports CBS affiliate WROC.

Police Chief Gerald Pickering says "one or more shooters" fired at the firefighters when they arrived at the scene of the blaze near the Lake Ontario shore just east of Rochester at around 6 a.m.

Police have surrounded the neighborhood and are searching for the shooter....

Wayne La Pierre - "Have a SWAT team sweep and secure the area before firefighters are dispatched to fight a fire. If this killer didn't have a gun, he could have dug booby traps with poisoned punji sticks made of sharpened bamboo to do the same thing, are we going to ban shovels?"


...For hours, the gunfire stopped firefighters from working to extinguish the fire and forced police SWAT teams to evacuate homes in the area.

Firefighters first arrived before 6 a.m., said Rob Boutillier, Webster's fire marshal. By 9 a.m., flames had engulfed three houses and a vehicle, he said.

"It's still an active crime scene," Pickering said. "We have firefighters there at the location. It took a while to make it safe ... to put out the fires."...

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It's so obvious; the people who want to ban guns, will use any means to achieve their agenda. Shoot a defenseless firemen and the public will demand, all guns should be taken. 

Who stands to benefit the most when these atrocities occur. 

SEE we told you to take away the guns.

Reminding me of some western

Dress up a few white men in Indian costumes; shoot a few arrows to make it appear  as though the Indians attacked; then scared people will demand, that all Indians should be  confined to the reservation, so peaceful folks can live without fear.

Fast forward to Fast and Furious.

Get assault weapons into the hands of the cartel members, and then cry about assault weapons killing folks. The scared folks crying, take away the assault weapons.

Then the government telling the scared folks; thats what we intend to do.  

Wait a minute... it's obvious to you that gun control advocates are shooting fire fighters in rural New York as part of a conspiracy to get national gun confiscation through Congress?  Just... think about that.

If it still seems really, really obvious to you once you give it some further thought, please realize that there's not much difference between you and the guy who hangs out on Lexington and 39th street shouting at American Airlines every single morning.

I don't get it either.

It was like when that Orly Taitz zombie claimed that Obama had kidnapped and drugged the Sandy shooter and sent him into that school to do mayhem.

Guns don't kill people, bullets do!

Getting back to reality, Webster police chief says the shooter (apparently only one) is dead at the scene. It's unclear whether he (I presume it's "he") shot himself.

Whoever is posting as Anonymous, he or they are certified right wing fruitcakes, parroting what they are told to believe by the latest fabricated Redstate/Fox/Limbaugh toxic trash.

Get your picture yet with Santa and your gun Anon? Unfortunately no matter how lethally armed right wingers are, they will still be a craven brainwashed idiots.

You wrote, as though it was an actual quote

Wayne La Pierre - "Have a SWAT team sweep and secure the area before firefighters are dispatched to fight a fire. If this killer didn't have a gun, he could have dug booby traps with poisoned punji sticks made of sharpened bamboo to do the same thing, are we going to ban shovels?"

I have searched the web, to see if  Wayne La Pierre did make made such a quote as you represented.  I have not found where he said such a thing.

I think you fabricated a lie and not finding the quote anywhere; Its obvious to me, that you, NCD, an advocate for gun control;  would stoop so low, so as to include the deaths of two innocent firefighters, in order to serve your agenda.

So you got past the "poisoned punji sticks" and still didn't get that the La Pierre quote was satire? NCD tried to give you a clue by putting the real quotes (from CBS and CNN) in italics. Posters here can be overly subtle. It doesn't happen often, mind you.

Thanks acanuck. I guess if Wayne LaPierre, in his delusional fantasy land where guns are never the problem but always the solution, started jabbering about booby traps and poison punji sticks the GOP right wing echo chamber would be backing him up 110%. 

And the jaded limbaughtomized Tea Party morons would be nodding in agreement like plastic bobble head toys.

Now now. Just put your tin foil suit back on and go back to your cave in North Dakota.

Updated story from the local CBS; this is a case of a felon (manslaughter) with illegal weapons, and also he appears to have had something against firefighters (or it was an awful roundabout way to do "death by cop"):

WEBSTER, N.Y.Police in New York state say a man who killed two firefighters in a Christmas Eve ambush had served 17 years for manslaughter in the death of his grandmother.

Webster Police Chief Gerald Pickering says 62-year-old William Spengler was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot to the head. 

Police say he set fire to a car and house to lure firefighters to his house on the shore of Lake Ontario early Monday.

When firefighters arrived, he opened fire, probably with a rifle. Two firefighters died at the scene and two others were hospitalized. A fifth first responder was injured.

Police don't know a motive yet.

Police say Spengler ambushed four volunteer firefighters responding to an intense pre-dawn house fire Monday morning outside Rochester, N.Y. Police used an armored vehicle to evacuate more than 30 nearby residents.

The gunman fired at the firefighters when they arrived shortly after 5:30 a.m. at the blaze near the Lake Ontario shore in Webster, town Police Chief Gerald Pickering said. The first Webster police officer who arrived chased the suspect and exchanged gunfire with him, authorities said.

"It does appear it was a trap" for the first responders to the fire, Pickering said at a news conference. Officials said the gunman appeared to take cover to act as a sniper against firefighters.

At a later news conference, officials identified the gunman as William Spengler, a "convicted felon" who was not allowed to possess firearms. They said they did not know how he obtained the gun or guns used in the shooting. [....]

Its time we took a realistic approach to putting out house fires. If we're serious about putting out houses on fire we need more guns.

The police moved in with SWAT teams and escorted neighbors to safety when they should have been handing out guns and sending them in after the shooter.

Fire trucks are pretty large so there is no reason each truck couldn't carry a chest with 50 to 100 guns to be handed out to local citizens to protect the fire fighters as they put out the fire.

Can we really expect fire fighters to put out fires if neighbors aren't willing to grab guns and scour the surrounding houses to offer them protection?

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Equip the fire trucks with the Phalanx CIWS.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Do you need more proof? A person with a fire hose is defenseless, against a bad man with a gun  ......Doh!

So... you believe that fire trucks should be equipped with anti-cruise missile defense systems?

I have a better idea, instead of water hoses, equip the fire trucks with flame throwers.  Then they can strike preemptively whenever they're called.  That'll get people to stop having fires!

Whoa, now hold on. I had no intention of fighting the Great Destor

Tell me MM, don't some of the major cities, have the capability of tracking the source of gunfire? 

Couldn't this same tracking system, work in a close proximity location?

I wonder which law-abiding gun owner provided him with access to the guns.

Which group of idiots, let the murderer out of prison.

If he wasn't sentenced to death, for murder; at least keep the rest of us safe, by keeping the murderer behind bars for life, so he couldn't kill again.

This asshole left a note that said "Doing what I do best - killing people."

This is sick shit. We need to stop this.

This one was close to home. I'm a small-town police officer's son, and these murders were only seven miles from my house.

I have nothing articulate to say about this. I can't even start.

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